Atti's successful ZPM replication

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Atti posted this 25 November 2022

Hi everyone.

I just wanted to look at a few things in this simple compilation. As you can see, it's almost the same drawing as the one that Fighter gave us. I played with it a bit.
The core is a tiny Amcc20. Frequency between 90-110Khz. Filling factor 50%. Supply voltage between 20-30 volts. The power supply L-C filter works well. Roll ratio 1:2

Changes caused by parasitic capacitances are inevitable at such a high frequency. You can see them in the two videos. Sometimes the power is increased and sometimes the current is reduced.
Grounding can help in some cases. But the influencing factor must be taken into account during the measurements. It only has an effect above a certain frequency.
This is just for information, but as you can see, there are cases when the current drawn from the power supply is close to zero. There are times when grounding is necessary.

In this oscilloscope examination, I was curious as to where and how the two coils resonate. Or how I see it. Or is it visible at all.

When the current drawn from the power supply is the lowest, the CH2 (blue) channel is at a higher voltage. But this is the coil with less turns. Thus, it should be smaller by default (or at a lower frequency). So when this coil is at a higher voltage, it works on the other coil and charges back to the power supply. (here I deliberately did not say L1 or L2 because only the principle is the point, but this still awaits further investigation)
In some cases, the hump characteristic of parametric excitation can also be observed in the measured signal. Vidura alluded to this in one of his comments.
I have not done the loading according to Fighter or YoElMiCrO. The change is not so spectacular for the load.

It would definitely be necessary to use an iron core with a larger volume and a coil with a larger surface area.
This experiment was just for information on my part. To be continued later.

@Itsu.

As you can see, the current can be reduced to almost zero. Probably also with higher loads. The generator effect can prevail. But there are a lot of questions for me right now.

Atti.

 

 

Fighter posted this 23 December 2022

Quoting:cd_sharp

My friend, although we disagree about some things, we're still buddies and we still work together.

Absolutely, just because we have different opinions about this doesn't change anything.

In this kind of research the diversity of opinions and different points of view are an advantage, not an disadvantage.

We're working together on the same way to the same goal, we all gonna meet in Rome. 🙂

Yes, sorry Atti for the off-topic.

Fighter

"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration."
Nikola Tesla
Atti posted this 24 December 2022

There is no problem here. Let's respect each other's thoughts. This is the essence of the conversation. That's the only way we can move forward.

The Amcc0320 core has arrived from mouser. After the holidays, making a coil body, winding wires (supplemented with my own idea based on what I have already seen) and then testing.

I would like to draw attention to the fact that I will not deal with the specific Fighter reproduction. I'm just touching it. With the result of this, I will continue with further considerations.

 

Atti.

Fighter posted this 24 December 2022

Quoting:Atti

The Amcc0320 core has arrived from mouser. After the holidays, making a coil body, winding wires (supplemented with my own idea based on what I have already seen) and then testing.

I would like to draw attention to the fact that I will not deal with the specific Fighter reproduction. I'm just touching it. With the result of this, I will continue with further considerations.

That was fast, enjoy your new core !

This will allow you to build a scaled up more powerful ZPM with more powerful light bulbs on output.

As my both ZPMs are using AMCC200 is still unknown to me what scaling up means, maybe more turns for the coils ? Or maybe thicker wire ? That will be interesting to see. For sure more Metglas mass will make it more powerful.

Of course the core can be used in exploring more configurations, other kind of experiments incorporating your own ideas, it's an entire path opening up for you with your new core. You saw what this kind of cores can do when you used your small core, now the effects you saw will be more powerful. I would say prepare to put a bigger radiator on your MOSFET 'cause I think the new core will make it get hot faster.

Enjoy your experiments and share them with the team.

Regards,

Fighter

"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration."
Nikola Tesla
Atti posted this 29 December 2022

Soon........

Munny posted this 29 December 2022

Nice material.

Wind those bobbins slow and careful, don't push yourself too hard.  There is no rush, so enjoy the journey.  We will see your progress when you are ready to share it and I'm sure it will be well worth the wait.

 

Atti posted this 14 January 2023

Now I'm concentrating on confusion. Also, disturbance may not always be disturbance.

I have two types of laboratory power supplies. Don't worry about the fact that it's self-made. It works perfectly!
One has switching operation and the other is linear. I like to use the latter. (Although the external L-C filter does its job well.)

Each power supply has a toroidal transformer.

Unfortunately, this is precisely why capacity develops on the primary and secondary coils. (if we don't know what we're doing!)
The capacitance between two or more coils is formed due to the proximity or the windings on each other.
By the way, I checked this on other transformers and it is the same for all of them. However, the voltage transferred by the capacitance thus formed significantly affects the operation of the given device. If aparameters stand together!
But don't believe what I say. Check everyone.
Not only the voltage, but also the frequency carried by the voltage is transferred. Thus, a kind of FM modulation can occur. And this depends on several factors. You can hear the mosfet disturbance in the video:

 

 

Another problem could be the timing circuit. (i.e. opening and closing the mosfet gate)
  In some cases, this kind of connection problem may occur.
Coupling problems can also occur in switching mode power supplies or function generators. This can be caused by the installation of the so-called cooling Y condenser in some cases. This is also located in its internal power supply. (but not always!!!) It is mentioned in this forum. Image:

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/feeltech-fy3224s-24mhz-2-channel-dds-aw-function-signal-generator/225/

I also noticed that if the mosfet gate is not closed in time, it gets very hot.

Many people use this isolated drive and switch device.
Here they write about the problem, which can sometimes occur:

http://www.advanced-science.com/IPCQuadra.html


In some cases (in my case at frequencies above 150KHz) the mosfet gate may have a closing problem.
If the mosfet gate does not close in time, an excitation process may occur. Not in every case, but it can happen! Even with mosfet drivers!
  So. If the aforementioned capacity problem or the mosfet problem develops due to the power supply, we may be in for a surprise.
  Or even wrong information.


But let's not look at these problems. Let's just keep these in mind.
We know why we do what we do!

As we can see (although I have already shown), the grounding effect can also develop with batteries. Especially when it comes to high voltage.


This is why Vidura's work is interesting to me.
Notice the connection pattern of some inductances:

 

 

 

Fighter posted this 14 January 2023

Hi Atti,

One of the images seems to be broken, it needs to be uploaded in the post just like the others.

Regards,

Fighter

"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration."
Nikola Tesla
Jagau posted this 14 January 2023

These are excellent suggestions to follow Atti

Thank you

Jagau

Atti posted this 15 January 2023

 

Hi Fighter.

One of the images seems to be broken, it needs to be uploaded in the post just like the others.

 

I just wanted to say by showing the pictures that there must be a reason why this implementation is used in many places.
So it cannot be ignored. We already know some of the reasons. Let's continue.

Atti.

 

Fighter posted this 22 January 2023

Hi Atti,

I'm making copies here on our server of your ZPM replication videos as a backup.

We know YouTube is unreliable and it can make any video disappear if it's showing something "inconvenient" 😉

They're too valuable to risk losing them.

You'll always have a backup here on our site, just in case.

Regards,

Fighter

"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration."
Nikola Tesla
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