because the voltage you measured was around .8v which is typical of a Cu and Zn cell.
Are you sure you documented yourself well before coming to a conclusion about this device ?
This is the voltage provided by the primary module/source without having the secondary module conected:
I think this is indeed a galvanic reaction but with the unique setup of one cell only and less than 1volt using an JouleThief that accepts micro-current levels this corrosion would be so little and it would take years for that Zn to dissapear.
You missed two very important points, the fact that the device is using tap water (not salt water or other electrolytes) and this anomaly:
And this is the current state of the copper mesh, as you can see there is no sign of copper oxide, after one year of being underwater the copper mesh should be completely oxidized by now or at least have a thick green copper oxide layer on it (link to larger image here):
It should tell you the things are more complex about this device than your explanation, how many "simple galvanic" devices which can work for two years you know ?
In my opinion this devide is also using some of the surrounding energy just like Jagau's Micro-Generator.
Why do I think so ? Because...
I said it's nothing exotic about the device, I need to correct my affirmation as there are some anomalies:
1. The device is not a simple chemical-reaction way to provide the initial energy in the primary block, there is more: I observed that the power of the light is significantly stronger in the morning within the 2-3 hours before the sun is raising at horizon; the reason is unknown, maybe in those 2-3 hours there is more energy coming to Earth and it is capable to somehow capture it ? maybe the neutrinos we talked about in other discussions ? But why only in those 2-3 hours before the sun is raising at the horizon ? after sun is above horizon the light seems to get back to normal (as much as I can observe when there is also daylight);
2. The very fine mesh made of copper is not oxidized at all; there is some white zinc oxide on it coming from the zinc sheet but other than that there is no copper oxidation, you know the copper oxide is greenish; copper submerged in water will always get a layer of green copper oxide in a very short time but this process is not present in the device; considering how thin the copper is in the copper mesh (you can see it in photos) I was initially thinking the copper mesh will be completely oxidized within 1-2 months; it didn't happened and the copper mesh is 100% copper-oxide free; the reason is also unknown.
Again, are you sure you documented yourself well before coming to a conclusion about this device ? 😉
Just a side note: it is difficult to scale this setup because the internal resistance of these cells are very high, so as soon as you put 3 or 4 in series together that's it, it will not generate much current only voltage.
Seems to me you didn't even had the curiosity to check the archive attached to the 2nd post of this thread, else you would've seen this video of the device powering 25 LEDs:
The only problem this device have is it's not solid-state, other than that you could easily transform it in a flashlight (and a very powerful one considering what you see in the video above) which could illuminate continuously 24/7 for two years. How many "simple galvanic" devices capable of doing this you know ?
Jagau is right, you should try his Micro-Generator. It's solid-state, can be scaled up (more metallic surface you provide to it more power you'll get) and nothing needs to be changed after two years. Probably after 25 years you will need to change the electrolytic capacitor which will become dry (that's normal) but other than that it will work forever.
My replication of Jagau's Micro-Generator is here, check the video in this post.
About this long-running water-based device I can tell you (based on my observations) it's not an ordinary galvanic device else it wouldn't be present on our site.
In my opinion this device is the missing link between an ordinary galvanic device and the solid-state quantum cell you can see in this thread: Joel Lagace's Quantum Power Cell.
Regards,
Fighter
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PlengoFreeEnergy
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24 March 2024
- Last Edited 24 March 2024
Excellent work. Quick question, can you light up an LED directly connecting to the terminals of the cell? I would assume not because the voltage you measured was around .8v which is typical of a Cu and Zn cell.
If the answer is not, that could explain why the osciloscope or meters would not measure properly and the LEDs would go out, the amount of energy generated by this cell is very very very small, probably less than 1ma which explains why the JouleThief.
I think this is indeed a galvanic reaction but with the unique setup of one cell only and less than 1volt using an JouleThief that accepts micro-current levels this corrosion would be so little and it would take years for that Zn to dissapear. I know that because I have done a lot of work with crystal cells.
Just a side note: it is difficult to scale this setup because the internal resistance of these cells are very high, so as soon as you put 3 or 4 in series together that's it, it will not generate much current only voltage.
Jagau
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21 June 2022
- Last Edited 24 March 2024
Yes, taking very low power measurements with an oscilloscope is difficult to take. The input impedances of an oscilloscope are around 1 meg so too low for the scope but for a DDM with an input of 20 meg it's easier. I am attaching a pdf of TEK, most scopes are similar, who may be able to help you with some very good advice. Good reading.
As I promised I've made the measurements but I'm not very satisfied on how they worked.
The device is very sensitive to measurement tools, it changes its functionality when they are connected to it.
This is the voltage provided by the primary module/source without having the secondary module conected:
Then I connected the secondary module but when I use the multimeter the LEDs light is diminishing to almost not being visible.
I don't know what's causing this but I continued making the measurements in these conditions.
This is the voltage I measured between the primary module and secondary module when they're connected:
You can see how weak the LEDs are when connecting the multimeter.
And this is the current I measured between the primary module and the secondary module when they're connected:
I'm not sure how accurent the measurements are when the LED's light is not as powerful as usually.
I also tried to get the waveform received by the LEDs from the Joule-Thief module but when I put the oscilloscope's probes on their connections the LEDs are turning off completely and there is no waveform read by oscilloscope.
I'm not sure why the device is behaving like this when measurement tools are connected to it.
I know all measurement tools are using a shunt resistor (or more) for reading, could it be the cause for how the device is behaving when measurement tools are connected to it ?
For now this is as much as I could do in making measurements on this device and presenting them here as I promised.
Regards,
Fighter
"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of
energy, frequency and
vibration."
