Electromagnetic Field Resonance

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Apoc posted this 18 June 2024

Seems I come back to this every now and then, in my head it seems like it should work, but physically designing it and building it eludes me.

So I had another very through chat with chatgpt4. I'm convinced that no magnetic field is actually static, which is like blasphemy in the scientific field when it comes to permanent magnets.

If we look at how the atoms in iron can align their electrons together to create a magnetic field. Then take into account that all these electrons are moving (albeit small distances within the individual atoms). Then shouldn't the magnetic field that these electrons are producing move also at the same rate they are moving around the atoms.

The short answer I got from chat gpt is they would be moving in Terra hertz frequencies. Meaning that a permanent magnet made from iron actually has a magnetic field that is essentially vibrating at this same frequency due to the magnetic field being attached to these moving electrons within the atoms of the iron.

I looked it up and Electrons "orbit" Iron atoms at approximately 57,000,000 m/s.

Then if we go back to basics of induction, the speed at which a magnetic field moves (and this is moving wicked fast even if only microscopic distances) then the speed of this movement alone should generate something if the inductor is properly tuned to the rate at which the electrons are orbiting the atoms of the iron magnet. In speculation it seems this should create a very high frequency AC current in the inductor if it is properly tuned to the rate of orbit of the electrons in the iron.

I can picture it all in my head, but where I'm struggling with figuring this out is my lack of knowledge when it comes to electrical power itself and things like inductance and how to build a coil that's supposed to resonate at a specific frequency.


What I picture is a coil wrapped around an iron magnetized core that is in tune with the frequency at which the literal electrons are orbiting the iron atoms.

AlteredUnity posted this 5 weeks ago

ChatGPT can be very wrong sometimes, especially at math, even mixing equations up. But very useful for the most part! Why would you say the field is static? There is nothing static or never not in motion in the universe. Interconnectedness of everything assures this(I read aabout this in: The Holographic Universe, and heard somewhere recently again)

Apoc posted this 5 weeks ago

Well its not so much static as that the electrons making the magnetic field don't do so in unison so they dont translate a fequency of orbit to the macroscopic level, instead you get a magnetic field that at the macroscopic level is "static", but at the microscopic level is "fuzzy" due to all the inconsistencies of each electron magnetic dipole lining up to create the macroscopic magnetic field.

Apoc posted this 4 weeks ago

Another route I've been contemplating is creating an LC Circuit that resonates at the Earths naturally occuring Schuman Frequency (7.83 Hz). I suspect Nikola Tesla was trying to not only transmit wireless electricity with his Wardenclyffe tower but also create a large LC circuit that resonated with earths natural Schuman Freuqency to generate the electricity to transmit.

 

From what I've found by asking Chat GPT to help me design said circuit it appears that an LC Circuit with an inductor with 1 Henry or a Coil that is "7,118 turns of wire around a cylindrical form with a diameter of 10 cm and a length of 50 cm."24 AWG (or as suitable)."

Then to get as close as possible to Resonance connect (4) 1mF capacitors, (or maybe (8) 500uF capacitors because these would be easier to obtain). Then wire everything up and try to fine tune the circuit which I'd need a signal generator capable of creating the Schumann frequency of 7.83 Hz, and an O-Scope to test for resonance. Then adjust the coil as needed until resoanance is acheived.

 

One thing to note is.... 7000 turns would be quite an undertaking for a coil haha.

 

The one thing I'm worried about though is the low frequency not really leading to any real results due to it being too weak, but in theory if it resonates it should build power in the circuit still over time. The other thing is I really don't have a place to work on this right now as I live in a small apartment (wish I still lived with my dad, I'd have room there to do it).

 

Anyways what do you guys think? Is this worth trying to build? Or is it just another pipe dream?

 

Edit:

Heres chat GPTs boring answer when asked if it would be capable of genering any real power though...

Energy Harvesting: While it can resonate with electromagnetic waves at the Schumann frequency, the amount of energy available from natural Schumann resonances is extremely low, not sufficient for significant power generation.

Fighter posted this 4 weeks ago

Hi Apoc,

Personally I would try to replicate again the coil resonating with the permanent magent's field.

But of course it's just my opinion, here on our site our members decide which experiment they are attracted to and want to pursue. šŸ™‚

Regards,

Fighter

"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration."
Nikola Tesla
Apoc posted this 4 weeks ago

Replying To: Fighter

I've tried to a few times but can't seem to get the same results I think I'm missing something not to mention this happened about a year ago now at this point an my memory of it just gets fuzzier and fuzzier and I've made multiple attempts to recreate it... most people I tell this to say it was a fluke or some external that the multimeter was picking up... not to mention it was a DC current not an AC one... so I really have no idea, something tells me the piezoelectric transducer I had attached to it might have played some role but I just don't know.

 

Edit: I did some more looking into resonance seems I've overlooked something...

It seems for something to resonate with another signal it doesn't JUST need to be the same frequency. Although the best resonance happens at the same frequencies. Different harmonics of a specific frequency also resonate with that starting frequency. So as long as the 2 frequencies are somewhat in phase and are harmonics of each other, they should still create some resonance. Its known as Harmonic Constructive Interference.

 

What I suspect happened with my coil is it just happened to be close to one of these harmonics of the "static" magnetic field the permanent magnet was giving off. The problem is I still haven't really got a clue on how to meassure the natural frequency a permanent magnets magnetic field is. Which would still as was said before probably be in the THz range due to it being tied directly to the electrons movement throughout the atoms of the entire magnet. (Very small magnetic field movement at very high rate of speed.)

Apoc posted this 2 weeks ago

I'm tempted to try winding the coil 1 turn at a time at this point and just meassure it on a multimeter for every turn lmao... brute force method I guess... I looked into trying to find the frequency of a "static" magnetic field and it involves using ferromagnetic resonance spectroscopy, which is complicated and something I couldn't do with out the right laboratory equiptment and yeah thats not happeing anytime soon >_<

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