Fighter's Quantum Power Cell Replication

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Fighter posted this 30 March 2024

Hello,

This is my replication thread for Joel Lagace's Quantum Power Cell.

Info from one of my posts there:

I ordered some conductive carbon felt from China:

Soft Battery Electrode Conductivity Graphite Felt High Temperature Carbon Fiber

As Relaxa is not available in Europe, the closest product I found available and I ordered is this:

Effecol 3350 Epsilon Health, 12 plicuri x 13,3 g, S.I.I.T.

Hopefully its PEG 3350 composition is similar to the Canadian product.

I don't have a sheet of magnesium but I have one high-purity Zinc plate I bought for the water-based device (post here).

I'll see how it works with that and I'll try with other metals. If the efficiency will be lower I will search for a magnesium plate.

For now I must wait for the carbon felt, it will take a few weeks to come from China.

I'll come with updates.

Fighter

"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration."
Nikola Tesla
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Fighter posted this 30 March 2024

Hello,

This is my replication thread for Joel Lagace's Quantum Power Cell.

Info from one of my posts there:

I ordered some conductive carbon felt from China:

Soft Battery Electrode Conductivity Graphite Felt High Temperature Carbon Fiber

As Relaxa is not available in Europe, the closest product I found available and I ordered is this:

Effecol 3350 Epsilon Health, 12 plicuri x 13,3 g, S.I.I.T.

Hopefully its PEG 3350 composition is similar to the Canadian product.

I don't have a sheet of magnesium but I have one high-purity Zinc plate I bought for the water-based device (post here).

I'll see how it works with that and I'll try with other metals. If the efficiency will be lower I will search for a magnesium plate.

For now I must wait for the carbon felt, it will take a few weeks to come from China.

I'll come with updates.

Fighter

"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration."
Nikola Tesla
Fighter posted this 02 April 2024

Just a small update.

I received the Effecol and preparing the other components of the cell:

That metal plate is high-purity Zinc plate I bought for the water-based device (post here), I must cut a piece from it.

About Effecol's composition, seems there are also some additional ingredients:

Which probably is not good on the long-term for running the cells but I'll see.

Also, before buying more, I'll need to see if it could solidify/crystalise like the Canadian version.

Unfortunately Amazon Canada could not send Relaxa in Europe, probably there are protectionism restrictions to not affect the market of the similar products made in Europe or something like that. 

Ebay don't have it available but if this one is not working I have the option to buy the equivalent ClearLax from there but the shipment is expensive because it's shipped from U.S., it costs more than the product itself.

Hopefully this one will work just like the Canadian version.

For now I'm waiting for the carbon felt which seems it landed in Europe and is going through customs.

I'll come with updates.

Regards,

Fighter

"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration."
Nikola Tesla
Fighter posted this 06 April 2024

As I didn't received the shipment before the weekend (the same situation with the other shipment here) I decided to start building a experimental cell without the carbon felt, just with the materials I have available around.

The wide piece of copper foil is what's left from the big piece I used for coating the plastic enclosure. Unfortunately I will not have enough to build a second cell like this, I used almost all of it.

For electrical connection between the foils used for coating I used a band of copper foil, the one you see under the green tape.

Also in the image above is shown a piece cut from the high-purity zinc plate I have, it's built like a central electrode and it's electrically isolated from the coating copper foil by a piece of yellow plastic. I still need to find a way to fix it in center of the cell so it will not move around until the PEG 3350 solution will (hopefully) solidify.

In the image above you can see details of the copper foils coating and the copper foil band used for electrical connection between those copper foils. Hopefully the PEG 3350 solution will not go under the copper band used for electrical connections between the coating copper foils...

In the image above you can see details of the central electrode made of high-purity zinc and its plastic base used for electrical isolation against the copper foil coating.

And in the image aboveyou can see the detailed layout of the cell. I still need to find a way to fix the central electrode in place. I'd try using glue but I'm not sure if the glue will be affected by the PEG 3350 solution or not.

As this cell is experimental and it's not built respecting the specs it's possible it will not work as expected and all these materials will be wasted.

But the purposes of building this cell are:

  • investigate if this new layout with much larger surfaces of the electrodes could improve the output of a cell;
  • verify if the PEG 3350 powder I have could solidify/crystalize like the Canadian version used by Joel;
  • if the cell works verify in time if there is any corrosion process on zinc and copper;
  • test if I can use for conditioning the cell a voltage booster powered by my DC source.

About the last point: for conditioning the cell I want to use one of my voltage boosters powered by my DC source to run 35V DC through the electrodes of the cell during the time it (hopefully) is solidifying/crystalizing.

The main concern I have here is if the PEG 3350 solution could shortcircuit the output of the voltage booster and damage it. The DC source have shortcircuit protection so I suppose it will be safe. I still have doubts about how to proceed with the conditioning process because heating, melting, connecting to DC voltage and then putting in freezer the cell could not work because of the plastic enclosure of this cell which could be damaged during the heating process.

I'll come with updates about the progress of the experiment.

Regards,

Fighter

"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration."
Nikola Tesla
Fighter posted this 08 April 2024

I've made the solution from hot water and 6 sackets of PEG 3350 and filled the cell:

The initial voltage was 0.916 V. So it seems bigger electrodes surfaces are not increasing the voltage, I expected more.

About conditioning the cell while the PEG is in liquid state, it will not work. The solution is highly conductive electrically so for sure the output of the voltage booster would be short-circuited.

After one hour I checked the voltage again and seems it's dropping:

Joel said in his cells the voltage is increasing as they are drying, so something is wrong.

I'm not sure what exactly. Not enough concentration of PEG in the solution ? The composition of the PEG powder is not the same as the Canadian product ?

In the meanwhile I contacted the courier company and they said I will receive the carbon felt shipment today.

A little too late...

I'll continue to observe cell's behavior and I'll come with updates.

Regards,

Fighter

"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration."
Nikola Tesla
Fighter posted this 10 April 2024

I have a lot of updates, I needed to organize them before posting.

Yesterday I received the carbon felt:

I tested it and it's good, it's electrically conductive.

About the cell's polarity: the copper is plus and the zinc is minus.

And I solved the mystery of its voltage decreasing: these cell have some behavior of the batteries, they accumulate energy and slowly releasing it sometimes for hours.

What happened is when I initially tried to see if the liquid PEG solution conductive and condition it putting 30 V on its electrodes the voltage booster and the DC source protections were triggered showing a short-circuit. Even if I stopped the power immediately seems the cell accumulated that energy and it was slowly releasing it in the next hours. Therefore the voltage decreasing I observed. But the voltage decreasing stopped at about 0.916 V and then started increasing slowly.

About the PEG, I understood why the solution doesn't dry and crystalize like its Canadian version: I've put too much water. So I took out about half of the solution and I added powder from two more sackets.

After I did that the PEG solution started to become white and started to look like the one we see in Joel's videos.

So higher concentration of PEG powder is necessary, those 6 sackets were not enough.

Even more, after doing this the solution became non-conductive like before and the conditioning process works without short-circuit:

After every conditioning process the cell is charging and discharging slowly within 1-2 hours:

After I received the carbon felt I started building another smaller cell (I had just 2 PEG sackets remaining). I took the aluminum enclosure from a defective electrolytic capacitor, I've made a small electrode from carbon felt and I used one sacket of PEG powder.

About this cell's polarity: the carbon felt is plus and the aluminum is minus.

So here are the two cells as they are now:

They are now under observation and as they dry out from time to time I apply another condtioning process to them:

The moment of truth regarding their real output will be when they'll be completely dry but that will take probably a few days.

According to Joel as they dry out their voltage should increase.

Then I'll see their real voltage output.

About the PEG powder it seems to be okay, I'll order more because I have only one sacket left.

I want to build two more cells:

  • with one electrode made of carbon felt and one electrode made of tinfoil;
  • with both electrodes made of tinfoil.

Joel mentioned also that adding copper oxide is enhancing the PEG solution, maybe I'll get some copper oxide and I'll try it on building a third cell.

But until then I'll observe and experiment with these two prototypes.

I'll come with updates.

Regards,

Fighter 

"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration."
Nikola Tesla
Inception posted this 11 April 2024

Fighter,

How did you test the felt for conductivity?

Fighter posted this 12 April 2024

Hi Inception,

I checked with my multimeter in continuity testing mode.

When I've put the probes on the carbon felt sheets the multimeter emited a continuous beep.

Regards,

Fighter

"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration."
Nikola Tesla
Inception posted this 12 April 2024

Replying To: Fighter

I tried this same method of testing conductance with a sheet of graphite felt, which is supposed to be more pure than carbon felt, but got no response at all, even with a fresh multimeter battery. 

Ohmeter mode didn't show any resistance whether  zero, low, or high.

Graphite felt is a rayon based material that is an ideal choice for vacuum furnaces or process temperatures above 2000° C. Carbon felt is a lower-cost alternative to Graphite felt for applications where chemical purity is not as critical.

I chose graphite felt because it had been used as Vanadium Flow Battery electrodes. 

So now I wonder what I actually received from the shipper.

Graphite Felt

Fighter posted this 13 April 2024

Replying To: Inception

Hi Inception,

Sorry for the late reply but I wanted to come with a video showing a test and the resistivity of one of my carbon felt sheets:

So now I wonder what I actually received from the shipper.

I'm not sure, visually your graphite felt seems similar but maybe the graphite fibers are coated in something else which is non-conductive ?..

I would say you better order one sheet like the ones I got from here:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006624177021.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.1.351d2e27geoS85

I bought the 10x200x300mmx2pcs version.

The price is decent and with two sheets you could build electrodes for tens of cells, the only issue is it would take a few weeks until you receive it.

But in the meanwhile you may experiment with other metals like I did with copper foil and zinc or other variations like Joel shows in one of his videos here (I set the time of the video to start at that time):

It's a lot of explore with these quantum cells.

I'm also organizing the data and I'll come with updates about my cells.

Regards,

Fighter 

 

"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration."
Nikola Tesla
Inception posted this 13 April 2024

Replying To: Fighter

Thanks, Fighter. 

That's the same test I used. Nowhere on the felt could I get a reading of any kind, even when the test probes are extremely close. Only when the probes touched did the meter beep.

There must be a coating of some kind, or it's not what the seller on eBay described.

Vasile posted this 14 April 2024

Even more, after doing this the solution became non-conductive like before and the conditioning process works without short-circuit:

Hi Fighter,

So the PEG solution that you used, completely dryed, is non-conductive?

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