I understand. Graphite iself is electrically conductive so for sure it's coated with something, maybe to make it more conductive for high temperatures or something like that.
If the seller is describing it as electrically conductive then it's false advertising so I sugest to make an appeal to Ebay to get your money back:
It depends by the saturation of PEG powder in the solution.
In the image below:
on the left side is how I did it initially, the solution is transparent it's highly conductive and it acts like a short-circuit triggering the auto-protection of my DC source;
on the right side where the solution is white and viscous it's not electrically conductive and it acts as a battery accumulating energy (during the conditioning process) and releasing it after in hours (the multimeter connected to the cell shows voltage about 1.6 V but it drops slowly in time until it reaches cell's natural voltage).
I didn't knew the behavior of this PEG product so I've put powder in water which is wrong, it makes the solution transparent and could probably take weeks to solidify. The idea is to put drops of water in the PEG powder and homogenize them but not too much water, we must still keep the solution white and viscous.
Then the cell can be put in the conditioning process:
What I said above applies to the Effecol product I bought, maybe it doesn't apply to other PEG products.
Note: I've made the conditioning process like in the image above in sessions of 3-4 minutes at 30 V (see the voltage booster display), I never kept the cells charging more because I don't know what happens if they accumulate too much energy. I didn't wanted to risk to damage them or, who knows, maybe explode or something.
Regards,
Fighter
"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of
energy, frequency and
vibration."
Adding some updates after a few days of observation of the cells' behavior.
First, the big cell solidified at surface but under that surface it formed cave-like spaces where it trapped the liquid solution. So I needed to break the solidified surface and extract that liquid until it remained only the viscous PEG below:
Then it started to solidify/crystalize just like the small cell:
The problem is the remaining PEG is covering only a small surface of the electrodes and that's not what I intended with this big cell.
But I'll let it solidify and then come with more PEG mix over it in order to try to solve this problem. I'll see how it works after that.
In the meanwhile the little cell solidified/crystalized very well and seems completely dry now:
So after learning how to work with this Effecol product I think it's okay, different composition and maybe not as good as the Canadian product (Joel is getting around 1.2-1.4 V in his cells) but good enough at least for current experiments.
So I ordered and received 3 more boxes for building other experimental quantum cells:
The voltage of both cells is pretty much stabilized right now, but they're not fixed, always jumping up and down with a few milliamperes.
This is a photo I took right now (it's night, 3:10 AM here so I turned on a light so I can take the photo):
Keep in mind the big cell is not crystalized/solidified yet so this may not be its actual voltage.
These days I put both cells on scope with probes set to X1, there is a lot of activity in them.
This is the big cell on scope:
And this is the small cell on scope:
And here is a short video of the scope showing the activity in the small cell:
As you can see the scope can't get a lock on all these fluctuations so it can't show a frequency or other characteristics.
Looking at this chaotic activity two phrases are coming to my mind from two of our great teachers:
...vacuum is filled with enormous energy but the energy is not organized,it's goin every which way... if we look with the particle view the vacuum then would be a vast series of incredible dense little particles forming and unforming all the time... we have what we call virtual particle, it appears out of nothing and disappears back into nothing very rapidly, you can't grab one individually but lots of them if they get in line and hit something they make the forces of nature...the vacuum is an incredibly intense flux of virtual particles bombarding everything in the world but each little particle hits so lightly you don't know it, but if they line up you can get any amount of force or power you wish to from the vacuum flux.
...Another way of looking at this would be that if you take a room of ping-pong balls and you get them all going in many directions and they're bouncing around, there is a certain amount of energy in that room. But if you line these ping-pong balls up and you can do it magnetically then all of a sudden you've got a tremendous amount of energy that was not present before...
In my opinion this is what we see on the scope in the video above...
You want to see the "magic" of these cells ? đ I've made a video showing how fast they are recharging after they're discharged (in this experiment actually short-circuited):
Let me clarify, these cells will never be able to power our houses, so they'll never replace our current experiments for that goal, okay ?
But a couple of these cells could easily recharge a capacitor in a self-rechargable LED flashlight when it's not turned on.
A eternal self-charging flashlight, wouldn't that be nice ?.. âşď¸
And this was just a first example which came to my mind, there could be plenty of other aplications.
Also these cells could be used as sensors showing the intensity of the Zero-Point energy around our devices during the experiments. They could provide very useful information for that field which our standard instruments could not measure.
So even if this is a side projects, I'll continue the experiments (when I have available time) and of course I'll come with updates when I have them.
Regards,
Fighter
"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of
energy, frequency and
vibration."
After short-circuiting them during the demonstration video above today I see their constant voltage increased.
The small cell is providing constant 0.814 V (from 0.804 V last night) and the big cell is providing constant 0.928 V (from 0.915 V last night):
I disconnected the multimeters and connected them again, I short-circuited the cells again and the result is the same: their voltage is going up to 0.814 V and 0.928 V and is staying there.
I have no explanation but it doesn't seem to be just a coincidence. Seems I didn't saw their true potential yet and they still can be conditioned somehow by short-circuiting them...
I'll keep observing them, I'll try to short-circuit them more and see what they will gonna do.
Regards,
Fighter
"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of
energy, frequency and
vibration."
Sorry for the late updates here but last week was a busy week at work (I worked during the weekend too).
But in all this time I observed the cells behavior and gathered data.
Just for clarification, in the following text "nominal voltage" means the cell reach a state of equilibrium where the voltage is constant, not rising or not decreasing anymore.
During the crystalization process and with periodical short-circuiting conditioning the voltage increased and dropped multiple times.
The conditioning of the cells by short-circuiting them worked for a while so today the cells have the following nominal voltages (compare it with the initial nominal voltages in the previous post above):
But during the process of crystalization I noticed something, their nominal voltage increased during the day and decreased during the night. This is just an example, two photos taken at night and the next day:
As Joel shown, the cells are reacting to external factors, they have piezolelectric properties and there are voltage spikes when they're slowly hit.
So my guess was the cells' nominal voltages could also be influenced by the external temperature.
I needed to verify this so I've made a short experiment where I used the temperature of my hand (no pressure applied on the cell):
So this is confirmed, the external temperature is influencing their nominal voltages.
So when the outside temperature drops I expect (and already seen this) their nominal voltages to decrease.
This is how the crystalized PEG looks like now in the cells:
About possible oxidation of the electrodes so far so good, I didn't noticed any sign for now.
In the big cell there is a part where the PEG intruded between the copper foils and the plastic enclosure but other than that no sign of oxidation (for copper there should be something greenish):
Something else that I noticed: after the short-circuit the big cell its voltage is going back much faster to its nominal voltage compared to the small cell. The big cell is reaching 0.7 V almost instantly while the small cell is reaching it in a few seconds.
So even if the quantity of PEG and the surface of the electrodes are not proportionally increasing the nominal voltage they seems to influence the speed on how the cell is restoring its nominal voltage. And this is very important regarding the energy a cell can provide in time.
Please keep in mind some of the observations above are empirical, they're made on just two cells and the PEG composition I use is different than what Joel use for his cells.
The PEG composition is probably the reason why Joel's cells are reaching 1.2-1.4 V, probably it's better (maybe more pure ?..) than what I use.
Now that the cells are ready for experiments I intend to go to the next phase: see how can we use the free self-restoring voltage they provide to charge a capacitor through one-wire and an Avramenko plug.
Also, seeing how responsive they are to external temperature and small mechanical shocks I'm curios what effect the coils of my DSE devices have on them (especially the Heaviside component) if I place one (the small cell) inside the coils in the place of the actual variable capacitors:
In the meanwhile I will also build other cells as I mentioned before:
I want to build two more cells:
with one electrode made of carbon felt and one electrode made of tinfoil;
with both electrodes made of tinfoil.
Joel mentioned also that adding copper oxide is enhancing the PEG solution, maybe I'll get some copper oxide and I'll try it on building a third cell.
Many things to experiment I just need to find time for each of them.
I'll come with updates as I'll have them.
Regards,
Fighter
"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of
energy, frequency and
vibration."
