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Fighter posted this 01 October 2024

Hi Acek,

Our members told me they received personal messages like this from you:

Hi ***

I look for participants in buying a scheme of 5kW machine. It comes from a website I know about 10 years. It sells schemes of free energy machines for those who understand overunity physics. Now they have DIY machine with instruction how to assemble a circuit, how to run and regulate. 
Many times I asked them for a scheme of a simple machine that can give few hundrets watts for someone who is not electronic engineer. They answered few times, they haven't one, it is for those who know overunity well. Through few years I examined them many times if they are orientated on a scam, to grab money. No, they aren't. They don't answer - yes, you can do it, just pay. I know someono who is experienced in aboveunity and can help me to do it.

If I find 5 people, we can share 60 USD, if 10 only 30 USD. I used to be a member aboveunity.com for 8 years but Chris blocked me second time, because there is no full speach freedem on his website.
If interested please answer to [email removed]

Regards
Jacek (Poland)

I checked your activity on the old aboveunity site and I saw you asked the same thing there.

First of all this is a research site, we created this site as our home after leaving the old site when that crazy-boy started to attack every member of his own team with false accusations and his site became a religious cult site preaching the "POC Bible" with him as wannabe guru.

We're not in this for money, the research we do and the devices we're working with we're sharing them for free with the public.

Therefore sending private messages to our members promoting scam sites looks like a hostile action to me.

Please don't so that, take this as a warning.

You know those guys ask for money and just sell some papers with no guarantees anything in those papers works, right ?...

Did you saw any functional device based on those papers ? I doubt it.

If they're in this domain for money and they would have functional devices, you know they would not need your 300 dollars, right ? They would actually sell those devices to you for more money.

The internet is full of papers like that which means nothing compared to the real research results we're sharing from real devices and experiments here.

So what will happen if our members contribute and those papers will prove to be useless, will you give the money back to our members ? Of course not.

So please don't promote that kind of sites here. If you're into research and sharing you're welcome here.

If not then most likely this is not the right site for you.

Thank you,

Fighter

"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration."
Nikola Tesla
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Fighter posted this 01 October 2024

Hi Acek,

Our members told me they received personal messages like this from you:

Hi ***

I look for participants in buying a scheme of 5kW machine. It comes from a website I know about 10 years. It sells schemes of free energy machines for those who understand overunity physics. Now they have DIY machine with instruction how to assemble a circuit, how to run and regulate. 
Many times I asked them for a scheme of a simple machine that can give few hundrets watts for someone who is not electronic engineer. They answered few times, they haven't one, it is for those who know overunity well. Through few years I examined them many times if they are orientated on a scam, to grab money. No, they aren't. They don't answer - yes, you can do it, just pay. I know someono who is experienced in aboveunity and can help me to do it.

If I find 5 people, we can share 60 USD, if 10 only 30 USD. I used to be a member aboveunity.com for 8 years but Chris blocked me second time, because there is no full speach freedem on his website.
If interested please answer to [email removed]

Regards
Jacek (Poland)

I checked your activity on the old aboveunity site and I saw you asked the same thing there.

First of all this is a research site, we created this site as our home after leaving the old site when that crazy-boy started to attack every member of his own team with false accusations and his site became a religious cult site preaching the "POC Bible" with him as wannabe guru.

We're not in this for money, the research we do and the devices we're working with we're sharing them for free with the public.

Therefore sending private messages to our members promoting scam sites looks like a hostile action to me.

Please don't so that, take this as a warning.

You know those guys ask for money and just sell some papers with no guarantees anything in those papers works, right ?...

Did you saw any functional device based on those papers ? I doubt it.

If they're in this domain for money and they would have functional devices, you know they would not need your 300 dollars, right ? They would actually sell those devices to you for more money.

The internet is full of papers like that which means nothing compared to the real research results we're sharing from real devices and experiments here.

So what will happen if our members contribute and those papers will prove to be useless, will you give the money back to our members ? Of course not.

So please don't promote that kind of sites here. If you're into research and sharing you're welcome here.

If not then most likely this is not the right site for you.

Thank you,

Fighter

"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration."
Nikola Tesla
Vidura posted this 01 October 2024

As I just turned on the PC to answer to jacek's request, I will do it public in this place. Of course I understand the temptation to buy some supposedly working FE schematic. But in my opinion it is a useless aproach, not that the scheme could not be valid, I think many of the schematics published on the internet could actually represent functional machines, but this is not enough. In first place you need to understand HOW these machines work, what are the physical principles? I you dont know what you are looking for the possibilities to succeed are remote. Secondly, and maybe more important you need the skills to build and to tune everything properly, on contrary you might have a valid schematic, but you wont be able to put it in practise, which would be only frustrating after having spent money for a drawing. In my opinion building such devices is an art, and not anyone is able to do it. If you want free energy to buy of the shelf, you can choose a solar installation or a windcharger or a small waterturbine, the chances to succeed will be much better,as there are plenty instructions and experiences avaliable.

Best wishes 

 

Vidura

acek posted this 01 October 2024

Hi Fighter

The purpose I asked some of the members of this forum is the same I asked on aboveunity. I think I haven't broken forum's rules. I hope there is more freedom of speach here, than on Chris' forum. Private messages should be confident but OK, I understand members should be vigilant and let it be uncovered.

I'v tried to made a replica of some publicised ideas (magrav, Barbosa/Leal, Hatem) but unsuccessful. Yes, I am frustrated guy but want to be 100% honest and transparent in what I do but of course you don't know me. As I know there are many frustrated ones, not as advanced like you guys here, looking for some shortcuts in FE because spent loads of money because FE isn't easy as Chris' states on his forum and isn't for everyone as he states and I was banned on his forum for this uncomfy for him sentence (I haven't broken any rules there). If someone look for truth, can't block freedom of speach.

Anyway thank you for publicising my email and let others decide what to do. I know such ideas are tough because of initial lack of trust šŸ˜Ÿ

Fighter, if you want to ban me, you are free. Do what you want šŸ˜

Regards, Jacek

Inception posted this 01 October 2024

Acek,

If this quest/desire has embraced you for so long, and on other forums, I would have imagined you would have paid the $300 by now, verified that the technology was sound, and then shared that with others. Asking others to take a risk for your curiosity, while they are in the process of modeling/producing overly-efficient devices is non sequitor. As the saying goes, "Fools rush in where angels fear to tread". We already walk on the edge of discovery, and have learned not to jump.

You have been encouraged to share in the existing studies and produce a (beginner's) working device that will help you to understand why things work, and why things don't. Vidura is wise in his recommendations. Though I am a scientist, I consider myself a student of him, Fighter, Jagau, Atti, Yoelmicro, and others here on this forum. Please consider doing the same.

We all want the Holy Grail, a high output device, but then you may as well buy what's already on the market and see if it works.

There are many parts to play in a research group. Perhaps your part, if you join us, is to verify what is real and what is not, invest in it, then share with others in a prudent manner that reduces the risk of being silenced by the oil traders. 

There have been ads in newspapers for over a century that tout "get rich quick" methods. Getting schematics for perpetual energy devices are just another form of this marketing. On the other end of those ads are sharks that garner their gains from fools that respond. In some way I believe that we have all fallen prey to this in some way, so we have learned to look away. We don't mean to offend you by declining your offer.

Thank you. I hope you can find a working device and share its source with us all, in good spirit: WWG1WGA

Fighter posted this 01 October 2024

Replying To: acek

I think I haven't broken forum's rules.

Actually you did, contacting our members with private messages promoting a site which is obviously a scam and asking our members to contribute for that scam seems a hostile action to me as I said before.

That's not the purpose of our site, we built our site for research, for offering to our members tools for exchanging ideas, experiments and results, videos, images, documents and to share our work with the public.

I hope there is more freedom of speach here

The action above has nothing to do with the freedom of speech.

Private messages should be confident

They are. The privacy of the personal messages of our members is respected here. The only exceptions are made when our members let us know about situations like this one. Then we start to investigate those situations.

Anyway thank you for publicising my email

This was the only way to address the concerns we received from our members in a single place and the content of your personal message is the subject of this discussion. We can't have this discussion without that content.

Considering you used our site's private messaging system for promoting that site do you consider that publishing the content of your personal message you sent to our members is inappropriate ?..

Fighter, if you want to ban me, you are free. Do what you want šŸ˜

I don't intend to ban you, I just consider your approach of using our site's private messaging system for sending mass personal messages to our members a wrong approach.

As I said before...

...please don't promote that kind of sites here. If you're into research and sharing you're welcome here. If not then most likely this is not the right site for you.

You'll decide what  you want to do.

Regards,

Fighter

"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration."
Nikola Tesla
acek posted this 02 October 2024

Quoting:Fighter

Replying To: acek

I think I haven't broken forum's rules.

Actually you did, contacting our members with private messages promoting a site which is obviously a scam and asking our members to contribute for that scam seems a hostile action to me as I said before.

Promoting a site ? It depends on someone's way of thinking, point of view. For someone it can be precious information, worthy consideration, for others for some reasons uncomfy info. I'v sent many emails but revealed the site only for literally 3 or 4 people (who wanted to find out), including you and you haven't responded to me in private email - hey, please don't promote such sites. I don't want mislead anyone, just look for help, cooperation. More than 8 years I observe this site, few times examined them if I can do a circuit and got replied - it is not for your skills. Why ? 

No offence Fighter but I have a feeling I have conversation with Chris.

Regards

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Inception posted this 02 October 2024

Acek,

Our cooperation begins with your decision to build or discuss the projects at hand. Argument has no place here unless driven by productive experimentation and resulting facts ... to build a consensus.

You say you have experience, but not here, or at any other forum. You've been observing for many years? ... but have no commitment to build or share knowledge.

You joined 3 days ago and now claiming that you were rejected for cause after observing for 8 years.

Objectively I see a futile discussion, and this thread has no productive outcome. You seem to be pressing for victimhood, running to yet another site crying the sky is falling and those people on the other forums are very bad. Then you'll PM the members for money toward an unknown cause ... like you are doing here, and at Sike's forum.

If you find that forum owners are rebuffing you for your tenacity to promote victimhood after you troll for donations, there is an obvious reason. Agreed?

How about abandoning personal affronts, share your projects, and perhaps we can advise you on possible solutions to move you along in a productive manner. We all learn from mistakes.

We are not sparring partners, friend.

Fighter posted this 03 October 2024

Replying To: acek

No offence Fighter but I have a feeling I have conversation with Chris.

Seriously ?

First, don't insult me comparing me with that psycho-boy. The simple fact that you're still here and we have this discussion should tell you enough about the freedom of speech on this site.

I didn't attacked the members of my own team like that guy did making false accusations about each of them and spreading disinformation about them including about myself. Actually I'm proud of our team and I'm glad I'm part of this team and I can exchange information, ideas, experiments and results with real open-minded researchers having tens of years of experience in electronics and physics.

Then, unlike that guy, I've came with my own "exotic" device and made it public, published the details and many members of our team replicated it successfully and made public their replications here. I've presented a demo device manifesting unusual effects (input decreasing to a few milliamperes while output increasing and powering 55W light bulbs) while after more than 7 years he is still unable to show any demo device using his so-called "partnered output coils". And he is pretending he "saved the world" and offered the "solution".

And I continue my research exploring new pathways and sharing the results with my team and with the public while he is still singing the same disinformation song of the "partnered output coils" leading the researchers on a road going nowhere and wasting their resources.

If you can't see all these differences and you accuse me of being like that guy then it's your problem, not mine.

Promoting a site ? It depends on someone's way of thinking, point of view. For someone it can be precious information, worthy consideration, for others for some reasons uncomfy info. 

Don't try to break what I say from the context of what I said here. How many sites mentioned here by our members are asking for money for a bunch of documents and offering 0 guarantees that anything in those papers is functional ?

That's obviously a scam site and we don't have any mention of that kind of sites here.

More than that you used our site's personal messaging system to send mass messages asking our member to give their money to the Russian guys running that scam site.

Now they have DIY machine with instruction how to assemble a circuit, how to run and regulate. 

...

Through few years I examined them many times if they are orientated on a scam, to grab money. No, they aren't.

How did you came to this conclusion ? Did you saw any functional device based on the content of their papers ? Did you talk to anyone who built a device based on the content of those papers ? I bet you didn't. So your conclusion is based on what ?

Read again what's on their site:

Can you spell S-C-A-M ?... 'Cause that's what that site is. If they would have any functional machines they would sell to you one of those machines for much more money, they wouldn't ask you for 2-300 dollars. It's just simple logic...

My advice for you would be to start learning and doing your own experiments so you can understand the principles of these machines. We all did the same: we did our lessons, we learned, we experimented, many times we failed but from those failures we understood more and we continued.

My advice is learn how to fish, don't try to buy fish. Let's just say you can buy a machine like this, what you gonna do when that machine will malfunction ? Will you call the usual guys from the service center for the Zero-Point power machines ? There is no such service center and there is no such guy. You're wasting your time (many years ?...) looking for a shortcut and most certain you'll get scammed and lose money too.

Our members here gave wise advices to you:

Of course I understand the temptation to buy some supposedly working FE schematic. But in my opinion it is a useless aproach, not that the scheme could not be valid, I think many of the schematics published on the internet could actually represent functional machines, but this is not enough. In first place you need to understand HOW these machines work, what are the physical principles? 

 

You have been encouraged to share in the existing studies and produce a (beginner's) working device that will help you to understand why things work, and why things don't. 

...

There are many parts to play in a research group. Perhaps your part, if you join us, is to verify what is real and what is not, invest in it, then share with others in a prudent manner that reduces the risk of being silenced by the oil traders. 

There have been ads in newspapers for over a century that tout "get rich quick" methods. Getting schematics for perpetual energy devices are just another form of this marketing. On the other end of those ads are sharks that garner their gains from fools that respond. In some way I believe that we have all fallen prey to this in some way, so we have learned to look away. 

...

You've been observing for many years? ... but have no commitment to build or share knowledge.

...

How about abandoning personal affronts, share your projects, and perhaps we can advise you on possible solutions to move you along in a productive manner. We all learn from mistakes.

...

We are not sparring partners, friend.

Now I'm gonna repeat what I said already:

...please don't promote that kind of sites here. If you're into research and sharing you're welcome here. If not then most likely this is not the right site for you.

Your choice.

And if you insist of getting banned as you do now by insulting me (comparing me with that psycho-boy) that's also your choice.

Personally I'm not gonna continue this conversation here, I've said what I had to say. I have better things to do, I'm trying to find time to continue my experiments and research. We here are learning and experimenting instead of trying to find "shortcuts". And posting here doesn't help me in that direction.

Regards,

Fighter

"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration."
Nikola Tesla
acek posted this 03 October 2024

I understand your point of view guys.

Regards

acek posted this 03 October 2024

From my experiences with Chris, hi is not psycho maniac but somebody who got involved into very, very extreme of his ideas and follow his rules as a soldier. He had many patience for me, my comments. True scientist characterizes humility not pride. True scientist, like Tesla, Keshe work not for millions but more for ideas for common people. Bad thing is when dirty business comes to such a scientist and enforce him to work for a very greedy corporation. Coming here I just believed, if Tesla (he just was robbed), Keshe revealed their works, there are guys here who follow those scietists who wanted to give relief from this global system or wanted to check if there is a ready solution somwhere else. We never know.

Best regards

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Fighter posted this 03 October 2024

I see you have no clue about the true face of that psycho-boy.

is not psycho maniac but somebody who got involved into very, very extreme of his ideas and follow his rules as a soldier.

Sure, that's what a "soldier" does - attacking the members of his own team like a rabid dog...

I guess you didn't read what I wrote in my previous posts:

we created this site as our home after leaving the old site when that crazy-boy started to attack every member of his own team with false accusations and his site became a religious cult site preaching the "POC Bible" with him as wannabe guru.

 

I didn't attacked the members of my own team like that guy did making false accusations about each of them and spreading disinformation about them including about myself. 

...

Then, unlike that guy, I've came with my own "exotic" device and made it public, published the details and many members of our team replicated it successfully and made public their replications here. I've presented a demo device manifesting unusual effects (input decreasing to a few milliamperes while output increasing and powering 55W light bulbs) while after more than 7 years he is still unable to show any demo device using his so-called "partnered output coils". And he is pretending he "saved the world" and offered the "solution".

And I continue my research exploring new pathways and sharing the results with my team and with the public while he is still singing the same disinformation song of the "partnered output coils" leading the researchers on a road going nowhere and wasting their resources.

Ask any member of our team here what he thinks about the mental issues of that guy... 

And if you need more details you can find them with proofs in our public answer thread here. You'll be surprised on how far away from the truth you are when you're talking about that guy. šŸ˜‰

You say...

is not psycho maniac but somebody who got involved into very, very extreme of his ideas

What ideas ? His so-called "partnered output coils"... 

In more than 7 years since he made that old site and he is preaching about those coils did you saw any demo device using those coils ?

Like I did with ZPM:

And it was successfully replicated by many of our members as you can see in the "Our Beyond-Unity Devices" section on the right-side of our site.

While he...

... after more than 7 years he is still unable to show any demo device using his so-called "partnered output coils". And he is pretending he "saved the world" and offered the "solution".

...

... he is still singing the same disinformation song of the "partnered output coils" leading the researchers on a road going nowhere and wasting their resources.

Why ? Because he got nothing and he knows he got nothing and he can't do any demo.

So, concluding, a guy who started attacking the members of his own team like a rabid dog making false accusations about each of them and spreading disinformation about them including about myself is 100% a guy with serious mental issues.

About his coils I said many times "put your money where your mouth is just like I did with my ZPM !".

You should ask yourself why after more than 7 years he is still unable to show them in any demo device. The answer is obvious.

Regards,

Fighter

"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration."
Nikola Tesla
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