One Plus One Minus One

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cd_sharp posted this 28 October 2022

My friends,

Long time no talk, I had some rough time like everyone. This is an update of the OnePlusOneMinusOne setup, based on Non-Inductive Coil experiment video 7 :

I added an extra coil and I noticed if I short it, it increases the output voltage. There are lots of details that I modified from the POC setup Chris was using and I did them to solve specific issues.

 

After I'll make the most out of it I'll drop a full schema and details disclosure.

A detail: the blue current is peaking around 0.3 amps and the yellow current trace is using the same measurement scale.

I'm still active in experiments, but I lack the time to post. Hopefully, that will change!

Stay strong!

 

If you know how to build such a device and you're not sharing, you're a schmuck! - Graham Gunderson

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cd_sharp posted this 28 October 2022

My friends,

Long time no talk, I had some rough time like everyone. This is an update of the OnePlusOneMinusOne setup, based on Non-Inductive Coil experiment video 7 :

I added an extra coil and I noticed if I short it, it increases the output voltage. There are lots of details that I modified from the POC setup Chris was using and I did them to solve specific issues.

 

After I'll make the most out of it I'll drop a full schema and details disclosure.

A detail: the blue current is peaking around 0.3 amps and the yellow current trace is using the same measurement scale.

I'm still active in experiments, but I lack the time to post. Hopefully, that will change!

Stay strong!

 

If you know how to build such a device and you're not sharing, you're a schmuck! - Graham Gunderson

cd_sharp posted this 24 December 2022

Guys, I'm making this thread public as I have some additions for it. I believe this concept is very interesting. It is based on POC-s, but it's using a fourth coil. I would be lying if I said it is not inspired by Chris Sykes' work many years ago, when he used to be teaching good stuff. But many of you probably, just like me, have been wondering what are the next steps in making the most out of POC-s. He would not say anything about that.

The most interesting parts, which will follow, I discovered myself through experiments. I want to share this info with you, but I do not want to refer to it as POC-s as it is not that.

Stay strong!

If you know how to build such a device and you're not sharing, you're a schmuck! - Graham Gunderson

cd_sharp posted this 24 December 2022

First thing, we all know this device from Don Smith:

I did something similar with the primary coil, I winded it on a piece of paper to be able to slide it and I made it 1/4 in coil length. The position where it makes the device interesting is over the first half of the secondary coil. I did not make a video of that experiment, but the conclusions matter.

We can see in the video above, in the first post, the tiny current that is carried by the tertiary coil during Ton. That is happening only if I place the primary coil precisely over the first half. That means the 2 secondaries are "talking". See the blue trace:

 

 

Sliding the primary coil in another position makes the talking stop. Since the effect is present when I slid the primary coil over the entire first half of the secondary, I came up with the conclusion I need to be making the primary coil 1/2 of the length of the secondary.

I need to mention I have been lacking access to a proper ground connection for years and still am. This is the main reason I did not replicate my buddy's device, Fighter's ZPM.

I believe what we see on the blue trace is the key to magnetic resonance. I have more posts to come with more interesting data.

Stay strong!

If you know how to build such a device and you're not sharing, you're a schmuck! - Graham Gunderson

cd_sharp posted this 24 December 2022

Guys,

The current carried by the tertiary coil is helping the input. Here is the proof of that, the input current goes down when the secondary coil and tertiary coil are "talking".

We can see a minimal effect, the input is going from 0.93 amps to 0.91 amps when the secondary and tertiary are close to each other and the blue trace shows current.

The numbers do not mean anything, but the effect does. Nature (or the Creator) left a trace for us to discover magnetic resonance.

I need to increase the current carried by the tertiary coil. I did a lot of experiments to reach this goal and I can say I know what works and what doesn't. More data soon..

Stay strong!

If you know how to build such a device and you're not sharing, you're a schmuck! - Graham Gunderson

Atti posted this 24 December 2022

Hi everyone.
I thought of the tertiary coil. I would like to mention some thoughts from my work. You will find it confusing. But then ignore it.

Here, I would like to highlight some basic ideas of large transformers. They are usually displayed on the website of the electricity supplier. So at a voltage level of 20-120-400 or 750KV. We can find a lot of literature on it, so you wouldn't single out any of them in particular.

- The switching group of three-phase transformers at different levels. The switching group of transformers determines the configuration of the primary and secondary side windings, and
indicates their position relative to each other. The phase windings of a polyphase transformer are the transformer
inside, they can be connected according to different configurations, depending on what characteristics we expect from the
from a transformer. Different coil combinations also result in different phase angle differences, which
it also limits the range of transformers that can be selected to connect the two systems.
Consider the parallel connection of transformers here.
The coil design of the transformer is designed in three main directions. Delta winding, star connection or zigzag winding.

-The way a three-phase transformer reacts to harmonics depends on the connection configuration used. In a star-star configuration, any imbalance in the phase currents results in the star point being electrically displaced and the phase-neutral voltage being unequal.
Triple-N harmonic currents appear as harmonic voltages in both the primary and secondary.

-If the primary is equipped with a four-wire system, i.e. the star point is connected to the neutral, the voltage distortion is eliminated, but harmonic current flows in the primary neutral, so the distortion is transferred to the supply system.

This can be solved by using a delta tertiary winding of about 30% of the transformer rating, which supplies the oscillating, unbalanced and triple-N harmonics, thereby preventing them from being fed back into the supply system.
In a delta-star configuration, unbalance triple N currents circulate in the primary delta winding and do not propagate to the supply system. This configuration is the most commonly used configuration for distribution transformers.

Note that all other harmonics will be fed back to the power supply and may spread widely as a result. As you might expect, the lower harmonics are the most disturbing because they are larger, less damped by the system impedance, and more difficult to remove at the source.

 
(in my opinion, this is a critical point in our case. But at least we cannot ignore it. It can be seen in several layouts. And we are looking for the phenomenon that one transformer feeds the other, and then vice versa. So here I am thinking of self-supply. That is, when the secondary winding changes to primary.)

-Three-winding transformer.
In some cases, in addition to the usual two windings, a third one is built into the transformers, this one
coil is called a tertiary coil, and the construction is called a three-winding transformer, which is numerous
has an advantage. The tertiary winding reduces the effect of the asymmetry of the three-phase load, rearranges the short circuit
path of currents, and is able to limit single-phase earth fault currents.
-Let's give some thoughts to the study of zigzag winding arrangement. Simply put. It is used because in case of asymmetrical loading of the three-phase transformer, the voltage in the adjacent column increases. Increased voltage can cause various problems in the network. But only in the service provider's network!

Hi everyone.
I thought of the tertiary coil. I would like to mention some thoughts from my work. You will find it confusing. But then ignore it.

Here, I would like to highlight some basic ideas of large transformers. They are usually displayed on the website of the electricity supplier. So at a voltage level of 20-120-400 or 750KV. We can find a lot of literature on it, so you wouldn't single out any of them in particular.

- The switching group of three-phase transformers at different levels. The switching group of transformers determines the configuration of the primary and secondary side windings, and
indicates their position relative to each other. The phase windings of a polyphase transformer are the transformer
inside, they can be connected according to different configurations, depending on what characteristics we expect from the
from a transformer. Different coil combinations also result in different phase angle differences, which
it also limits the range of transformers that can be selected to connect the two systems.
Consider the parallel connection of transformers here.
The coil design of the transformer is designed in three main directions. Delta winding, star connection or zigzag winding.

-The way a three-phase transformer reacts to harmonics depends on the connection configuration used. In a star-star configuration, any imbalance in the phase currents results in the star point being electrically displaced and the phase-neutral voltage being unequal.
Triple-N harmonic currents appear as harmonic voltages in both the primary and secondary.

-If the primary is equipped with a four-wire system, i.e. the star point is connected to the neutral, the voltage distortion is eliminated, but harmonic current flows in the primary neutral, so the distortion is transferred to the supply system.

This can be solved by using a delta tertiary winding of about 30% of the transformer rating, which supplies the oscillating, unbalanced and triple-N harmonics, thereby preventing them from being fed back into the supply system.
In a delta-star configuration, unbalance triple N currents circulate in the primary delta winding and do not propagate to the supply system. This configuration is the most commonly used configuration for distribution transformers.

Note that all other harmonics will be fed back to the power supply and may spread widely as a result. As you might expect, the lower harmonics are the most disturbing because they are larger, less damped by the system impedance, and more difficult to remove at the source.

 
(in my opinion, this is a critical point in our case. But at least we cannot ignore it. It can be seen in several layouts. And we are looking for the phenomenon that one transformer feeds the other, and then vice versa. So here I am thinking of self-supply. That is, when the secondary winding changes to primary.)

-Three-winding transformer.
In some cases, in addition to the usual two windings, a third one is built into the transformers, this one
coil is called a tertiary coil, and the construction is called a three-winding transformer, which is numerous
has an advantage. The tertiary winding reduces the effect of the asymmetry of the three-phase load, rearranges the short circuit
path of currents, and is able to limit single-phase earth fault currents.
-Let's give some thoughts to the study of zigzag winding arrangement. Simply put. It is used because in case of asymmetrical loading of the three-phase transformer, the voltage in the adjacent column increases. Increased voltage can cause various problems in the network. But only in the service provider's network!

- It is still worth studying auto transformers. Mainly the current directions.

So it can be seen that this is a harmful phenomenon from the point of view of the network service provider. But from our point of view, this is exactly what we are looking for, so that the performance is returned to the source.

 

So it can be seen that this is a harmful phenomenon from the point of view of the network service provider. But from our point of view, this is exactly what we are looking for, so that the performance is returned to the source.

 

Atti.

cd_sharp posted this 24 December 2022

Atti, exactly, it is all about phase angles. Thanks for sharing! More interesting posts to come when I find time. Stay strong!

If you know how to build such a device and you're not sharing, you're a schmuck! - Graham Gunderson

cd_sharp posted this 24 December 2022

Guys, ever wondered why we've been told and shown to make the primary coil using thicker wire and small number of turns? I found out the reason through this experiment:

A sharper input pulse depends on the input voltage, but also on the impedance of the input coil. An input coil made using only one wire is no match for an input coil made using 2 wires in parallel.

We can see the tertiary current goes up faster during the input pulse, Ton.

If we understand the inner workings, no secret can resist.

Stay strong!

 

If you know how to build such a device and you're not sharing, you're a schmuck! - Graham Gunderson

cd_sharp posted this 25 December 2022

Shel, yes, I know who he used to be and I'm disgusted by what he has become.

I know also the work of Master Ivo and it could prove useful one day. Thanks!

I will not get the input voltage up until I feel the device is working correctly. When I'll do it, I won't go to KV and there are plenty of ways to do it.

Staying on topic, there is another factor that can get the voltage up on the tertiary coil, a fourth coil. Let's see the experiment!

So, to summarize, I found 3 things that are raising the voltage on the tertiary coil during Ton:

  1. The input coil length and position.
  2. The input coil wire thickness.
  3. A fourth coil tied in series with the secondary and tightly coupled to the tertiary coil.

I have more interesting posts on the way.

Stay strong!

If you know how to build such a device and you're not sharing, you're a schmuck! - Graham Gunderson

cd_sharp posted this 25 December 2022

I need to make an important note about the 3 conditions above. Number 1, "The input coil length and position" is a must. If the input coil is not located over the first half of the secondary coil, numbers 2 and 3 are useless. In that case there is no useful current in the tertiary coil, just decay.

Stay strong!

If you know how to build such a device and you're not sharing, you're a schmuck! - Graham Gunderson

cd_sharp posted this 27 December 2022

Guys,

I ran a comparison between basic Non-Inductive Coil Experiment setup and the setup that uses a fourth coil in series with the secondary coil and tightly coupled to the tertiary coil. I can clearly see the improvement in the second setup. We can see the level of the horizontal cursor and the level of the current in the basic setup.

I'm going to wind the other half layer in the fourth coil. The current on the blue trace should be increasing and the one on the yellow trace should be decreasing due to more voltage on the tertiary coil and more impedance on the secondary coil.

I'm thinking that, similarly to Mr Preva Experiment, when the secondary coil and tertiary coil will see the same voltage at the same time, their currents should start phase-shifting. That's a theory for now.

I think the Mr Preva experiment is a top-class material, but it takes a lot of experience to understand how it can be applied practically.

Stay strong!

If you know how to build such a device and you're not sharing, you're a schmuck! - Graham Gunderson

cd_sharp posted this 02 January 2023

Happy New Year, guys!

Winding the other half layer and running the comparison again brings up improvements. This is definitely going in the right direction:

Let me ask the 100 points question! What happens when 2 opposite and equal magnetic fields are raising almost at the same time? I say the second one is phase shifting and I will add more turns to get there.

I guess this is one of the ways to fill the gaps between these devices and the Mr Preva Experiment.

Stay strong!

If you know how to build such a device and you're not sharing, you're a schmuck! - Graham Gunderson

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