Energy Gains in Adam's patent.

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Jagau posted this 07 September 2024

Is there energy Gains in Adam’s patent, the great question.

I built an Adams motor using a computer HDD to simplify the assembly of the bearings and with the installation of six permanent neodymium magnets on the rotor. This is Robert Adams’ first advice in order to understand the operation and then build a bigger one.

In order to study the behavior of the motor I use two 5 milli-henry coils on each side at 180 degrees from each other with the left side winding CCW and the right CW, the coils are connected in series.

The control system will be done with an Arduino mega 2560 using a hall effect sensor S277 for detecting the position of the rotor relative to the magnets. On the hall sensor S277 that I recovered from a computer fan, only the DO output (pin 2) will be used to give the interrupt detection instruction (it is in the Arduino program) in order to activate a 6N136 optocoupler to give a pulse on the Gate of the Nmos IRF3205 which will activate the two coils in series of the motor as declared by the inventor Mr. Robert Adams.

Photo to come

Jagau

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Vasile posted this yesterday

Quoting:Inception

Every experimenter should have something like this, to keep ALS batteries desulfated

Do you happen to know if it works on already sulfated batteries? I have some 12V, 8Ah UPS batteries that I haven't charged in years and they now have less than 1Volt and can not be charged with conventional chargers.

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Inception posted this 13 hours ago

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It is likely that you can restore most batteries. It may take a lot of time if very heavily sulfated, or if there is a metalic short from internal rust it may not fully charge.

I am surprised how many I have recovered. It has restored larger batteries beyond the listing on the charger cover.

6V UPS batteries that were dead and given to me from an IT tech:

I plan to make a battery bank for experiments that will have a 6V incremental voltage selector.

I have recovered 12V and 6V UPS batteries, but they must be soluble inside. If the gel gets too hard you may not be able to revive it. Pry open the seal and pop each rubber cap off of the cells. Add distilled water just below the opening.

The setting for those type is #6 on the dial. If the battery acts shorted and pops the circuit breaker, reset it and turn down the dial until cells come up to the right voltages: 2+, 4+, 6+, 8+, 10+, 12+.

I can usually get most to come up to 10 -11 volts and then it takes longer to get the + side cell to desulfate.

One could easily say that this charger has paid for itself may times, especially with the Prius modules and all the AA and AAA NiMh batteries revived besides car, mower, and tractor batteries.

I revived the 12V deep discharge Prius battery as well, when it would only charge to ~11V. That battery has lasted twice its normal lifetime. I have revived it twice.

I have well over a dozen battery chargers. Some are old school brute force and ohers are (stupid) smart chargers. None of them have worked like this one and the majority are in the parts bin from failure. We call them all "battery burners".

Inception

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Jagau posted this 3 hours ago - Last Edited 2 hours ago

Hi Inception and Vasile
We should all know this little secret.
Most standard chargers stop charging at 14.8 V the charge is incomplete according to this table:

John Bedini says:
If the charge process is stopped before point "P" is reached, it means that some sulfate ions are still left in the plates. If, for any reason, the voltage is prevented from rising to the finishing level, the charge will NOT complete.
This is another "little secret" of the battery industry. By limiting the voltage that most battery chargers provide to 14.8 volts, they know that the batteries will only last for a certain number of cycles, because a small amount of the sulfate ions are (purposely) being left in the plates at the end of each charge.

So, repeated incomplete charging is what causes most batteries to fail. A lead-acid battery that is charged to a finishing voltage at the end of each charge cycle can easily operate for 5,000 charge and discharge cycles, which is over 15 years of service. This is how to make your batteries last a very long time.

I have been managing a fully solar-powered radio communication network for several years, and I can confirm that following the Bedini method by reprogramming my industrial-type charge controllers to the values recommended by JB has resulted in my batteries lasting on average between 12 and 14 years. I know it sounds incredible, but I have experienced this for several years. The batteries (lead acide) don't have time to sulfate with this charging principle. For some sites, I use the programmable Morningstar PS30M charge controllers.

PS Information and image taken from the book The Complete Beginner's Handbook page 76, buy it, it's a plus.

Jagau

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Vasile posted this 2 hours ago

Quoting:Jagau

Interesting stuff. Makes you wonder if the people that make "conventional chargers" actually know about this curve and stop the charging intentionally at 14.8V.

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Inception posted this 2 hours ago - Last Edited 1 hour ago

Jagau, you are correct.

Also, the large deep cycle batteries can refuse charging at 1.9V per cell. I recently experienced this. All the pressure beyond that will not keep a 2+ volt charge. The Tesla pulsing technique makes all the difference when reviving those cells. I have to use the 2V radiant rejuvenator to break through that barrier.

My Amish friend also uses the Morningstar controllers. I've had to bring my laptop to his shop to update his firmware and program it. His father's store is 100% solar and they recently switched to lithium batteries, but his clock shop still utilizes ALS batteries.

What set-points are you using for the chargers? I have a TRACE inverter/charger on the forklift type batteries. I have not reset the values in a very long time. The batteries were installed in 1999 and not maintained by the occupant as instructed.

Inception

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Jagau posted this 1 hour ago - Last Edited 38 minutes ago

Quote Vasile

wonder if the people that make "conventional chargers" actually know about this curve and stop the charging intentionally at 14.8V

As an friend of mine working in the field said: There's too much money to be made with this; if they leave them like this, we'll sell even more batteries.

It's a bit like back when LED flat screens had been out for a while and we'd all been trained to maintain them, but the good old, very expensive CRT TVs were still on the market—still too much money to be made with them.

Excuse my complaints, but I've been there.

Yes, everything about battery charging is very interesting, and I think Chapter 7 should be read and understood by everyone.
Fortunately, Morningstar's Pro series solved the problem. I've only used these models since the 2000s and have never had any sulfation problems.

Quoting Inception:

What set-points are you using for the chargers?

If you look at the specs of the PS30M here:

The L16 series goes up to 16.75V. So, as JB said, he was absolutely right.
You just need to program it in the right place. What is important when charging a battery in order to get the maximum is its equalization time which comes immediately after the absorption time.

Yes, these are high-quality controllers programmable at home or remotely; a host of other options are available with curves, so you get your money's worth. Note that like JB I only use deep cycle batteries of the flooded lead-acid type. We've strayed a bit from the Adams topic, but it's for a good cause!

Jagau