Sorry for the late updates here but last week was a busy week at work (I worked during the weekend too).
But in all this time I observed the cells behavior and gathered data.
Just for clarification, in the following text "nominal voltage" means the cell reach a state of equilibrium where the voltage is constant, not rising or not decreasing anymore.
During the crystalization process and with periodical short-circuiting conditioning the voltage increased and dropped multiple times.
The conditioning of the cells by short-circuiting them worked for a while so today the cells have the following nominal voltages (compare it with the initial nominal voltages in the previous post above):
But during the process of crystalization I noticed something, their nominal voltage increased during the day and decreased during the night. This is just an example, two photos taken at night and the next day:
As Joel shown, the cells are reacting to external factors, they have piezolelectric properties and there are voltage spikes when they're slowly hit.
So my guess was the cells' nominal voltages could also be influenced by the external temperature.
I needed to verify this so I've made a short experiment where I used the temperature of my hand (no pressure applied on the cell):
So this is confirmed, the external temperature is influencing their nominal voltages.
So when the outside temperature drops I expect (and already seen this) their nominal voltages to decrease.
This is how the crystalized PEG looks like now in the cells:
About possible oxidation of the electrodes so far so good, I didn't noticed any sign for now.
In the big cell there is a part where the PEG intruded between the copper foils and the plastic enclosure but other than that no sign of oxidation (for copper there should be something greenish):
Something else that I noticed: after the short-circuit the big cell its voltage is going back much faster to its nominal voltage compared to the small cell. The big cell is reaching 0.7 V almost instantly while the small cell is reaching it in a few seconds.
So even if the quantity of PEG and the surface of the electrodes are not proportionally increasing the nominal voltage they seems to influence the speed on how the cell is restoring its nominal voltage. And this is very important regarding the energy a cell can provide in time.
Please keep in mind some of the observations above are empirical, they're made on just two cells and the PEG composition I use is different than what Joel use for his cells.
The PEG composition is probably the reason why Joel's cells are reaching 1.2-1.4 V, probably it's better (maybe more pure ?..) than what I use.
Now that the cells are ready for experiments I intend to go to the next phase: see how can we use the free self-restoring voltage they provide to charge a capacitor through one-wire and an Avramenko plug.
Also, seeing how responsive they are to external temperature and small mechanical shocks I'm curios what effect the coils of my DSE devices have on them (especially the Heaviside component) if I place one (the small cell) inside the coils in the place of the actual variable capacitors:
In the meanwhile I will also build other cells as I mentioned before:
I want to build two more cells:
with one electrode made of carbon felt and one electrode made of tinfoil;
with both electrodes made of tinfoil.
Joel mentioned also that adding copper oxide is enhancing the PEG solution, maybe I'll get some copper oxide and I'll try it on building a third cell.
Many things to experiment I just need to find time for each of them.
I'll come with updates as I'll have them.
Regards,
Fighter
"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of
energy, frequency and
vibration."
As I didn't received the shipment before the weekend (the same situation with the other shipment here) I decided to start building a experimental cell without the carbon felt, just with the materials I have available around.
The wide piece of copper foil is what's left from the big piece I used for coating the plastic enclosure. Unfortunately I will not have enough to build a second cell like this, I used almost all of it.
For electrical connection between the foils used for coating I used a band of copper foil, the one you see under the green tape.
Also in the image above is shown a piece cut from the high-purity zinc plate I have, it's built like a central electrode and it's electrically isolated from the coating copper foil by a piece of yellow plastic. I still need to find a way to fix it in center of the cell so it will not move around until the PEG 3350 solution will (hopefully) solidify.
In the image above you can see details of the copper foils coating and the copper foil band used for electrical connection between those copper foils. Hopefully the PEG 3350 solution will not go under the copper band used for electrical connections between the coating copper foils...
In the image above you can see details of the central electrode made of high-purity zinc and its plastic base used for electrical isolation against the copper foil coating.
And in the image aboveyou can see the detailed layout of the cell. I still need to find a way to fix the central electrode in place. I'd try using glue but I'm not sure if the glue will be affected by the PEG 3350 solution or not.
As this cell is experimental and it's not built respecting the specs it's possible it will not work as expected and all these materials will be wasted.
But the purposes of building this cell are:
investigate if this new layout with much larger surfaces of the electrodes could improve the output of a cell;
verify if the PEG 3350 powder I have could solidify/crystalize like the Canadian version used by Joel;
if the cell works verify in time if there is any corrosion process on zinc and copper;
test if I can use for conditioning the cell a voltage booster powered by my DC source.
About the last point: for conditioning the cell I want to use one of my voltage boosters powered by my DC source to run 35V DC through the electrodes of the cell during the time it (hopefully) is solidifying/crystalizing.
The main concern I have here is if the PEG 3350 solution could shortcircuit the output of the voltage booster and damage it. The DC source have shortcircuit protection so I suppose it will be safe. I still have doubts about how to proceed with the conditioning process because heating, melting, connecting to DC voltage and then putting in freezer the cell could not work because of the plastic enclosure of this cell which could be damaged during the heating process.
I'll come with updates about the progress of the experiment.
Regards,
Fighter
"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of
energy, frequency and
vibration."
I've made the solution from hot water and 6 sackets of PEG 3350 and filled the cell:
The initial voltage was 0.916 V. So it seems bigger electrodes surfaces are not increasing the voltage, I expected more.
About conditioning the cell while the PEG is in liquid state, it will not work. The solution is highly conductive electrically so for sure the output of the voltage booster would be short-circuited.
After one hour I checked the voltage again and seems it's dropping:
Joel said in his cells the voltage is increasing as they are drying, so something is wrong.
I'm not sure what exactly. Not enough concentration of PEG in the solution ? The composition of the PEG powder is not the same as the Canadian product ?
In the meanwhile I contacted the courier company and they said I will receive the carbon felt shipment today.
A little too late...
I'll continue to observe cell's behavior and I'll come with updates.
Regards,
Fighter
"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of
energy, frequency and
vibration."
I have a lot of updates, I needed to organize them before posting.
Yesterday I received the carbon felt:
I tested it and it's good, it's electrically conductive.
About the cell's polarity: the copper is plus and the zinc is minus.
And I solved the mystery of its voltage decreasing: these cell have some behavior of the batteries, they accumulate energy and slowly releasing it sometimes for hours.
What happened is when I initially tried to see if the liquid PEG solution conductive and condition it putting 30 V on its electrodes the voltage booster and the DC source protections were triggered showing a short-circuit. Even if I stopped the power immediately seems the cell accumulated that energy and it was slowly releasing it in the next hours. Therefore the voltage decreasing I observed. But the voltage decreasing stopped at about 0.916 V and then started increasing slowly.
About the PEG, I understood why the solution doesn't dry and crystalize like its Canadian version: I've put too much water. So I took out about half of the solution and I added powder from two more sackets.
After I did that the PEG solution started to become white and started to look like the one we see in Joel's videos.
So higher concentration of PEG powder is necessary, those 6 sackets were not enough.
Even more, after doing this the solution became non-conductive like before and the conditioning process works without short-circuit:
After every conditioning process the cell is charging and discharging slowly within 1-2 hours:
After I received the carbon felt I started building another smaller cell (I had just 2 PEG sackets remaining). I took the aluminum enclosure from a defective electrolytic capacitor, I've made a small electrode from carbon felt and I used one sacket of PEG powder.
About this cell's polarity: the carbon felt is plus and the aluminum is minus.
So here are the two cells as they are now:
They are now under observation and as they dry out from time to time I apply another condtioning process to them:
The moment of truth regarding their real output will be when they'll be completely dry but that will take probably a few days.
According to Joel as they dry out their voltage should increase.
Then I'll see their real voltage output.
About the PEG powder it seems to be okay, I'll order more because I have only one sacket left.
I want to build two more cells:
with one electrode made of carbon felt and one electrode made of tinfoil;
with both electrodes made of tinfoil.
Joel mentioned also that adding copper oxide is enhancing the PEG solution, maybe I'll get some copper oxide and I'll try it on building a third cell.
But until then I'll observe and experiment with these two prototypes.
I'll come with updates.
Regards,
Fighter
"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of
energy, frequency and
vibration."
I tried this same method of testing conductance with a sheet of graphite felt, which is supposed to be more pure than carbon felt, but got no response at all, even with a fresh multimeter battery.
Ohmeter mode didn't show any resistance whether zero, low, or high.
Graphite felt is a rayon based material that is an ideal choice for vacuum furnaces or process temperatures above 2000° C. Carbon felt is a lower-cost alternative to Graphite felt for applications where chemical purity is not as critical.
I chose graphite felt because it had been used as Vanadium Flow Battery electrodes.
So now I wonder what I actually received from the shipper.
The price is decent and with two sheets you could build electrodes for tens of cells, the only issue is it would take a few weeks until you receive it.
But in the meanwhile you may experiment with other metals like I did with copper foil and zinc or other variations like Joel shows in one of his videos here (I set the time of the video to start at that time):
It's a lot of explore with these quantum cells.
I'm also organizing the data and I'll come with updates about my cells.
Regards,
Fighter
"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of
energy, frequency and
vibration."
I received the Effecol and preparing the other components of the cell:
That metal plate is high-purity Zinc plate I bought for the water-based device (post here), I must cut a piece from it.
About Effecol's composition, seems there are also some additional ingredients:
Which probably is not good on the long-term for running the cells but I'll see.
Also, before buying more, I'll need to see if it could solidify/crystalise like the Canadian version.
Unfortunately Amazon Canada could not send Relaxa in Europe, probably there are protectionism restrictions to not affect the market of the similar products made in Europe or something like that.
Ebay don't have it available but if this one is not working I have the option to buy the equivalent ClearLax from there but the shipment is expensive because it's shipped from U.S., it costs more than the product itself.
Hopefully this one will work just like the Canadian version.
For now I'm waiting for the carbon felt which seems it landed in Europe and is going through customs.
I'll come with updates.
Regards,
Fighter
"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of
energy, frequency and
vibration."
Adding some updates after a few days of observation of the cells' behavior.
First, the big cell solidified at surface but under that surface it formed cave-like spaces where it trapped the liquid solution. So I needed to break the solidified surface and extract that liquid until it remained only the viscous PEG below:
Then it started to solidify/crystalize just like the small cell:
The problem is the remaining PEG is covering only a small surface of the electrodes and that's not what I intended with this big cell.
But I'll let it solidify and then come with more PEG mix over it in order to try to solve this problem. I'll see how it works after that.
In the meanwhile the little cell solidified/crystalized very well and seems completely dry now:
So after learning how to work with this Effecol product I think it's okay, different composition and maybe not as good as the Canadian product (Joel is getting around 1.2-1.4 V in his cells) but good enough at least for current experiments.
So I ordered and received 3 more boxes for building other experimental quantum cells:
The voltage of both cells is pretty much stabilized right now, but they're not fixed, always jumping up and down with a few milliamperes.
This is a photo I took right now (it's night, 3:10 AM here so I turned on a light so I can take the photo):
Keep in mind the big cell is not crystalized/solidified yet so this may not be its actual voltage.
These days I put both cells on scope with probes set to X1, there is a lot of activity in them.
This is the big cell on scope:
And this is the small cell on scope:
And here is a short video of the scope showing the activity in the small cell:
As you can see the scope can't get a lock on all these fluctuations so it can't show a frequency or other characteristics.
Looking at this chaotic activity two phrases are coming to my mind from two of our great teachers:
...vacuum is filled with enormous energy but the energy is not organized,it's goin every which way... if we look with the particle view the vacuum then would be a vast series of incredible dense little particles forming and unforming all the time... we have what we call virtual particle, it appears out of nothing and disappears back into nothing very rapidly, you can't grab one individually but lots of them if they get in line and hit something they make the forces of nature...the vacuum is an incredibly intense flux of virtual particles bombarding everything in the world but each little particle hits so lightly you don't know it, but if they line up you can get any amount of force or power you wish to from the vacuum flux.
...Another way of looking at this would be that if you take a room of ping-pong balls and you get them all going in many directions and they're bouncing around, there is a certain amount of energy in that room. But if you line these ping-pong balls up and you can do it magnetically then all of a sudden you've got a tremendous amount of energy that was not present before...
In my opinion this is what we see on the scope in the video above...
You want to see the "magic" of these cells ? 🙂 I've made a video showing how fast they are recharging after they're discharged (in this experiment actually short-circuited):
Let me clarify, these cells will never be able to power our houses, so they'll never replace our current experiments for that goal, okay ?
But a couple of these cells could easily recharge a capacitor in a self-rechargable LED flashlight when it's not turned on.
A eternal self-charging flashlight, wouldn't that be nice ?.. ☺️
And this was just a first example which came to my mind, there could be plenty of other aplications.
Also these cells could be used as sensors showing the intensity of the Zero-Point energy around our devices during the experiments. They could provide very useful information for that field which our standard instruments could not measure.
So even if this is a side projects, I'll continue the experiments (when I have available time) and of course I'll come with updates when I have them.
Regards,
Fighter
"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of
energy, frequency and
vibration."
