AlteredUnity's successful ZPM replication

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AlteredUnity posted this 16 January 2023

Hey everyone, im glad you started a new community, its a shame your device went from "should be first device to replicate after Non-inductive coil" to a toy, to deleted.

300Turn coil : measurements were made with both coils on center of core at 1khz; Coils were then put at far opposite ends of top and bottom of core.

20awg;  L = 425mH; DCR = 1.73 ohms

150Turn coil : 20awg; L = 110.7mH; DCR = 0.818 ohms

This is a fast trial run, have more to come with some ideas that may improve opperation. With this configureation I still pull 7 watts of power, so there isn't a whole lot of feedback. 

The center tap is connected to cable running to my cars body ground; The scope is connected across load, with its ground on the DRAIN of mosfet. This may be the wrong configuration and reason for not lowering input.

Any pointers are appreciated.

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Vasile posted this 24 July 2023

Quoting:AlteredUnity

 You can see that increasing the input voltage is decreasing the input power. I wish I shown the bulb afterwards because the output increases as well. 

It would be interesting to see how much can you decrease the input power by increasing the voltage. Of course having at all times into consideration the limits of the components and your safety.

Fighter posted this 24 July 2023

Quoting:Vasile

Quoting:AlteredUnity

 You can see that increasing the input voltage is decreasing the input power. I wish I shown the bulb afterwards because the output increases as well. 

It would be interesting to see how much can you decrease the input power by increasing the voltage. Of course having at all times into consideration the limits of the components and your safety.

@AlteredUnity please be very careful about going too far with input voltage increase.

With my ZPMs having 25V input voltage I saw 240V negative spikes:

There are dangerous voltages (especially on the connection between the two coils) and your safety comes first ! Also it could damage your equipment.

Better try with decreasing the duty-cycle and searching for a new resonance frequency corresponding to duty-cycle.

Regards,

Fighter

"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration."
Nikola Tesla
AlteredUnity posted this 24 July 2023

All my lab PS only go up to 30V, I do have a boost converter that will go up to 100V, but may not work with ZPM. Right now trying to find that point I was at is very hard(possibly because I changed wires connecting everything).

My main concern is an arcing sound coming from coils at certain frequencies, there's a few 200+kHz that ring very loud as well, but not an arcing sound.

But I do believe after a couple more volts the input goes up a little more, I will have to get everything connected as it was and I will try your recommendation. It seems my device is very sensitive(narrow bandwidth?) , I only hear ringing when doing a slow sweep .5 - 2 kHz difference before it's gone.

No worries, I'm aware of the risk, so it'd be better not to test on my Siglent PS, but also would gain knowledge about what PS does what with ZPM.

Thanks for the recommendation!

AlteredUnity posted this 25 July 2023

Hooked everything back the way it was, it's amazing how different lead lengths or cable types(hasn't been determined yet, tho the shorter lengths of wire were used my last setup) are working better as well as going all the way to 30v while not increasing the input power. Will try to organize a video, only had 10min to test, hopefully more to come tonight but at least I got the effects back. Will try different PS for higher voltage soon enough.

Fighter posted this 25 July 2023

Quoting:AlteredUnity

Will try to organize a video, only had 10min to test, hopefully more to come tonight but at least I got the effects back. Will try different PS for higher voltage soon enough.

No rush about the video, when you have time. Thanks !

Yes, keep the effect, after any change made just verify it's still there.

it's amazing how different lead lengths or cable types(hasn't been determined yet, tho the shorter lengths of wire were used my last setup) are working better as well as going all the way to 30v while not increasing the input power.

I wasn't aware about the length of cables being relevant in any way.

So longer cables are affecting the functionality and the input decreasing effect is lost ?

This is completely new information, thank you !

Could this be the cause why some ZPM replications failed ?...

On both my ZPMs I used the same cables just because I've fitted them with banana connectors (and WAGO connectors on ZPM's coils).

The wires I use for my ZPMs are this type : copper litz wire, 0.75 mm2 section (just different insulation colors - red and black). The lengths are relatively short, I think they have between 20 cm and 40 cm.

I should measure them and put all these details in the ZMP Enhancements Stage thread, I never thought these details could be relevant at all.

Very interesting, I wonder what could be the explanation, could the length of the cables be related to the presence of the standing waves on ZPM's output ?..

Thank you AlteredUnity for finding this new and important information !

Regards,

Fighter

"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration."
Nikola Tesla
AlteredUnity posted this 25 July 2023

That would be very interesting, even more if I can enhance the performance by further altering the lengths. I switched to a lower resistance and less inductive wire when I lost the effect, I will measure the difference when I get home tonight.

Thanks for the info, Fighter, my non working set is 14awg multi stranded electrical wire, each equal to 8inches, so 8in wire from(ps or drain) to coil, and another 8in from coil/(PS or drain) to load. I don't think this wire handles high frequencies very well. Like I stated earlier wire type or length is an issue, im not sure which.

The working set is about half that length, with a lot more strands of wire that is equal close to 14awg.

Nice to see parameters others can change, I know it sucks being stuck, which with the lack of time I have been.

I will cut longer pieces of the fine stranded wire and check the performance difference. Thank you.

AlteredUnity posted this 26 July 2023

Here is a video based off my last, with better results, including max voltage my PS will put out. Which brings up the question Vasile brought up, would the input continue to drop as the voltage goes up? This now looks very promising, though further testing would have to be done.

Keep in mind I haven't measured my input, but I doubt my Siglent is too far off.

The load is a 55w 12v car bulb.

 

 

Fighter posted this 26 July 2023

Thanks for sharing the video, the input decreasing effect is very clear (~0.080A) while the light bulb luminosity increasing is also very clear ! ☺️

So with ~3W input you got the 55W light bulb luminosity to (just an estimation) ~50% !

It's obvious your ZPM prefers higher voltage to have its coils "dancing" together.

Also the duty-cycle (17%) is lower than the 25% I use, that explains the higher optimal/resonance frequency (503 KHz).

Yes, it would be interesting to see if the effect gets stronger by increasing input voltage above 30V, just be careful about your personal safety and your equipment !

I'm making a copy here on our server of your ZPM replication video as a backup.

We know YouTube is unreliable and it can make any video disappear if it's showing something "inconvenient" 😉

It's too valuable to risk losing it.

You'll always have a backup here on our site, just in case.

Regards,

Fighter

"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration."
Nikola Tesla
AlteredUnity posted this 26 July 2023

Thanks Fighter. There is so much to still measure to verify the effects at this frequency, its beyond what I expected. I may start with seeing what doesn't work, so people who couldn't get theirs to work will have different parameters to try. Or I'm sure as I try to enhance it I'll find out what doesn't work.

Keep I mind my ps figures are not measured with scope so may be off.

One perhaps important thing I will add to this post when I get home are the Fr of L1 and L2. With L1 pk Fr is around 24khz, the next best is around 240khz, and for L2 it's almost the exact opposite(Fr is around 240khz, and next is 24khz).

When testing inductance at some frequencies(near Fr) I get 4-6H! I will add to this post with wire size, weight, etc, when I get home.

Vasile posted this 27 July 2023

Quoting:AlteredUnity

 

Very interesting video. Maybe you can also do the following experiment: At the moment when you have your PS set to 30 V, 3 A and at the output 30 V, 0.096 A, what would happen if you were to modify the set Amperage from 3A to 0.1A? Would the bulb still be lit with the same intensity?

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