Beyond Unity - Fighter's ZPM (Zero Point Module) failed replication by Itsu

Itsu posted this 07 November 2022

Hello all,

i opened this thread to discuss my replication of Fighter's ZPE (Zero Point Module).

I already opened a similar thread on OUR.com (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4374.msg101654#msg101654 ), but will transfer some data from there to here.

Initially i understood that the below diagram was correct and complete, but it turns out its not.
There is a ground connection somewhere, but i am not sure where it is exactly, hopefully someone can tell me.
The MOSFET is shown wrong as the Drain and Source should be swapped, which was corrected later in Fighter his thread so therefor the mentioning in red.

I have build up a similar circuit and the data is shown here:
(Be aware that the induction measurement was done at 10kHz, but due to the influence of the metglas core it can be (and is) completly different on other frequencies, see my thread on OUR.com for a VNA scan of the coil/core)

I am using a 12V battery for now as my PS (minus NOT grounded) was acting weird due to all the pulses coming back from the ZPE device.
Up till now no special effects or resonance in a 0 to 5MHz range are seen with this setup, but as said the grounding may be the problem here.

Itsu

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Itsu posted this 09 November 2022

Hi Atti,

thanks for the info, you have a nice almost all homemade equipment workbench, very good 👍

I am not sure what i am looking at in the video's and i do not see what you mean with the effect on the mentioned time stamps, but i am sure you know what you are seeing is abnormal and can be interpreted as the effect.

As Fighters device is so simple i cannot imagine that it acts like a generator, but that there is some power going back into the DC source is for sure, but not really abnormal.
I think this power going back into the DC source is a problem for many DC sources, especially NON battery DC sources.

Thanks, Itsu

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Itsu posted this 09 November 2022 - Last Edited 18 November 2022

All,

When Fighter mentioned that he suspect that his PS is part of the resonance circuit, and when looking at Fighter his video showing his PS current meter going almost to zero and still the ZPM lamps stayed on almost full, i had to think of a youtube video from years ago where someone was talking about resonance.

He showed a diagram and also the fysical circuit of 2 parallel LC circuits inductively coupled to each other driven by a FG and 2 bulbs on each LC circuit.
One bulb was outside one parallel LC circuit, the other inside the other parallel LC circuit (which made it series resonant i guess).

Both lamps behaved differently when tuned to resonance in that one bulb went out, while the other came on and vice versa (high impedance in parallel resonance versus low impedance in series resonance).

I wonder if something similar could be going on in Fighter his setup?

Like his meter being the bulb going off when in resonance, and the ZPM bulbs being the bulb coming on (or rather staying on in Fighters setup).

That video here:

Take note of the comments also as it is mentioned it could work with capacitive coupling too.

Any thoughts? Is it worth to explore this in an experiment?

Itsu

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Fighter posted this 09 November 2022

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As Fighters device is so simple i cannot imagine that it acts like a generator

Well, it looks simple as long as we don't have the instruments to see with our own eyes what the fields created around the core are doing. But still it is a generator.

I will put a quote about ZPM from YoElMiCrO here, I don't doubt his expertise and I hope he doesn't mind for quoting him:

The best experiment I've ever seen real is your ZPM. I've been studying what's going on all this time in it and I think I finally have the answers. At least from an electronic point of view. It has to do with the vector A.
In your case, as in the Hairpin of N.Tesla is this vector who really feeds the load and does not your source.

Your ZPM creates two asymmetric A vectors, if only in three Dimensions would be a double torus, one larger than the other. In fact one is half of the other.

Remember that when you apply Ton to your ZPM, the H fields are found, this causes your leak inductance to grow around the core. It does this over each section of the kernel.

"So simple" you say ? 🙂

Let's look at it from the point of view of the "official" physics. We have a device creating two pulsed magnetic fields fighting/annihilating each other. It should be almost the ideal case of "how to waste all the input power and obtain nothing on output", isn't ?

Basically no matter how much power we would put on input the device should waste almost all of it and there should be not enough power remaining to power let's say 2 x 12V/55W light bulbs. But still the light bulbs are shining, the DC source's transformer is not destroyed and the current limiter is not activated. Also, did you tried to measure the power sent back to the DC source by ZPM ? Don't forget about it, that is output too.

I think this power going back into the DC source is a problem...

... of readings ?

Personally I don't think it's the case.

From my point of view there is no issue with the DC source's readings and that was settled long time ago here:

https://www.aboveunity.com/thread/romanian-zpm-zero-point-module/?order=all#comment-6370ae2a-fc99-482f-bab3-aa7200cd760e

Because that was confirmed by a second measurement device:

I "forced" ZPM out of the optimal/resonance frequency so the consumption would be higher because the wattmeter is not built to measure currents lower than 0.100 A.

The small current difference (~ 0.01A) is because the power meter itself have a small consumption.

The probability of ZPM messing the readings of two different devices (at the same ZPM frequency but with different components, different reading sensors, etc. ) but still the devices to show the same readings is the same as the probability to play at the lottery for the first time in life and win the big prize then playing for the second time and win the big prize again.

Technically and statistically the probability is 0.

Regards,

Fighter

"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration."
		Nikola Tesla

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YoElMiCrO posted this 09 November 2022 - Last Edited 09 November 2022

Hello everyone.

There is a problem that is obvious if the type of supply source is regulated with a serial component, if so, you will see an increase in the CD that shows it.
This is because it behaves like a serial diode to the load.
I don't know if I make myself understood.

From now on thank you.

YoElMiCrO.

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Fighter posted this 09 November 2022

Replying To: YoElMiCrO

I'm not sure I follow, Yoel, you mean the power meter acts like a diode in serial with ZPM ?

Regards,

Fighter

"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration."
		Nikola Tesla

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Itsu posted this 09 November 2022 - Last Edited 09 November 2022

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Fighter,

Thanks for your response, with "simple device" i mean the fysical layout, not how it suppose to work, as as i said before about "the layers underneath", even the simpliest devices can be very complicated in their workings.

And yes, i did try to measure the power send back to the DC source (battery in my case) by the ZPM, see by thread on OUR here:
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4374.msg101741#msg101741 and on.
where it shows on the scope the input voltage (yellow), the input current (blue) and the calculated input power (red):

We see almost no power returned but some spikes both negative (minimum) and positive (maximum), and i think those spikes are the problems caused in some PS's.

and zoomed in voltage:

The use of a second measurement device is the way to go and i know you have, but not by using DMM's are they are not fit to measure above a few kHz and the more sophistigated ones can also be influenced by those spiky signals,
so the best is to use a simple csr (current) or a current probe and the scope.

Anyway, i am just exploring all the possibilities to explain this remarkable COP outcome of your device.

Regards Itsu

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Fighter posted this 09 November 2022

Hey,

Just a phrase I want to emphasize, this is the fact I drawed my conclusion on long time ago:

The probability of ZPM messing the readings of two different devices (at the same ZPM frequency but with different components, different reading sensors, etc. ) but still the devices to show the same readings...

In my opinion the main problem I see right now is all the measurements and tests are made on a ZPM replica which is not working the way I described and I shown in my experiments.

What needs to be investigated is why the resonance/optimal frequency is so low and why at that frequency the light bulbs are not on. Until the causes for these issues are not found and fixed all the measurements and tests are actually made on an ZPM not behaving as described in my ZPM threads.

Actually that's what I'm thinking about not about the DC source readings which in my opinion were settled long time ago as I shown in my previous post.

Regards,

Fighter

"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration."
		Nikola Tesla

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Itsu posted this 09 November 2022 - Last Edited 09 November 2022

Fighter,

OK, clear, lets move on.

As i had mentioned here: https://www.beyondunity.org/thread/fighter-s-zpm-zero-point-module-replication-by-itsu/?p=1&order=all#comment-eef63d65-9094-404e-925c-af460078808d
when i use my Manson SPS9400 PS and ground the negative, i do have similar effect as you have as there is a resonance at 62kHz but no dip in input current.

So i will use that setup which will make my setup similar as yours (agreed?) and make some measurements on that.

Regards Itsu

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Fighter posted this 09 November 2022

62 KHz is very low, when going below 80 KHz my ZPM is starting to consume more and more going to 1-1.5 A.

But let's say 62 KHz works well with your device, maybe it's because of different coils turns number.

At 62 KHz the light bulbs are on and bright, the scenario is much closer to the tests I shown in the ZPM threads.

The only thing remaining is to find out why at resonance/optimal frequency the input is not decreasing.

What about running another frequency sweep, maybe there is another resonance frequency much higher.

In my devices(s) there is just one optimal frequency point but maybe this is not a rule and your device has more than one and hopefully above 80 KHz ? And maybe there the input will decrease ?

Regards,

Fighter

"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration."
		Nikola Tesla

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YoElMiCrO posted this 09 November 2022 - Last Edited 09 November 2022

Hello everyone.

@ Fighter.

This circuit is roughly an analog source
which feeds a complex load such as ZPM.

If you look allows the voltage at the output terminals
is greater than regulated.
With regard to the consumption current, what happens is
that during the time of Ton the slope of the current
It is such that if the ferro-magnetic core did not exist, that is
that the magnetic permeability is approximately that of vacuum.
This current is truly high and its time is extremely small.
In this way the circuit that monitors the current when having
a much longer slow time than Ton's is incapable of
to measure it and only average the current to the value it shows you.

That is also why the current protection does not jump
of the same and when you performed the experiment with batteries
they were unable to maintain their tension.
That has already happened to me many times.
This is not to say that ZPM is not a real candidate for OU.
There are more explanations to share.

thank you.

YoElMiCrO.

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