Beyond Unity - Fighter's ZPM (Zero Point Module) failed replication by Itsu

Itsu posted this 07 November 2022

Hello all,

i opened this thread to discuss my replication of Fighter's ZPE (Zero Point Module).

I already opened a similar thread on OUR.com (https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4374.msg101654#msg101654 ), but will transfer some data from there to here.

Initially i understood that the below diagram was correct and complete, but it turns out its not.
There is a ground connection somewhere, but i am not sure where it is exactly, hopefully someone can tell me.
The MOSFET is shown wrong as the Drain and Source should be swapped, which was corrected later in Fighter his thread so therefor the mentioning in red.

I have build up a similar circuit and the data is shown here:
(Be aware that the induction measurement was done at 10kHz, but due to the influence of the metglas core it can be (and is) completly different on other frequencies, see my thread on OUR.com for a VNA scan of the coil/core)

I am using a 12V battery for now as my PS (minus NOT grounded) was acting weird due to all the pulses coming back from the ZPE device.
Up till now no special effects or resonance in a 0 to 5MHz range are seen with this setup, but as said the grounding may be the problem here.

Itsu

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Fighter posted this 17 November 2022

R is the biggest coil.

Yes, I followed the same polarity-check process with the replica like I did with the prototype, this is a older photo (click on it to magnify it):

If there are not opposing poles (North on top and South on bottom) with the connections as in my photos then there is something wrong...

Fighter

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Fighter posted this 17 November 2022

If the coils winding directions are as in the photos I shown then the inner wire of the big coil (R) is the minus of that coil (see the black crocodile connector) and should go to the outer wire of the small coil (L) which is the plus of that coil (see the red crocodile connector). Think on how we connect two LEDs in series, the minus of the first LED goes to the plus of the second LED. That's the way the coils should be connected to each other (minus of the coil R to plus of the coil L) to obtain the polarities shown in the photo above when checked separately.

Both coils are clock-wise winding directions but because the inner wire of the big coil R is connected to the outer wire of the small coil L their magnetic fields are opposing.

In the photo where I check the polarity you can see there are two north poles on top of the core (the South side of the magnetic polarity indicator is attracted by them).

Fighter

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Itsu posted this 17 November 2022 - Last Edited 17 November 2022

Fighter,

OK, thanks for the info, so your R coil is the biggest and connected to plus of the PS, same here.

Your coils are both counterclockwise (CCW) as seen from outer to inner, mine are different, one is CW and the other CCW.
Therefor i had to wire the inner wires together (you have outer to inner) to get the opposing fields Norths on top (or souths on top) like you have.

So it seems to me our coils are working the same way (opposing).

But it seems of little concern as when i cross the coil to coil wiring (causing a north pole on top on one coil and a south pole on top on the other coil), i still have the same signals and behaviour as in my original setup, and no current decreasing effect across a 0 to 5MHz range.

Itsu

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Fighter posted this 17 November 2022

Maybe I should've insisted on coils wiring directions and how they are connected when I described ZPM in the ZPM thread but I thought from the photos is obvious that the inner wire of the big coil R is connected to the outer wire of the small coil L and also I specified that I have two pulsing North magnetic poles opposing on top-middle of the core and two pulsing South magnetic poles opposing on the bottom-middle of the core.

At that moment I thought is a good description to describe how the device is built and functioning but maybe I should've done this: I took a old image showing the complete schema of the ZPM circuitry, I deleted the zone where ZPM is represented by two coils and I designed by hand how the coils are built and connected as seen from the top of ZPM.

Hopefully this will visually clarify the ZPM description I've made before, at that point I thought that description is clear enough.

So it seems to me our coils are working the same way (opposing).

Apparently yes, even if your coils windings are clock-wise and counter-clock-wise, the way you are connecting them to each other make them produce opposing magnetic poles.

But in this kind of devices the CW/CCW winding directions are important and these details seems to make a difference, see Akula or Don Smith's or others' devices where the winding directions are specified clearly for each coil. Probably I should've make the above image before when I described the ZPM but at that moment I thought this can be easily deducted from how the coils are connected to each other and specifying how the magnetic poles are produced by each coil. Now I realize that maybe that description was not enough and there remained room for confusion, that was not my intention but I had so much data and experimental results/data to organize and share...

So I'm not 100% sure this difference is the cause of the input issue you have but what if ?..

Which of your coils is CCW ? I'm sorry for the trouble but let's try to wind it CW so both coils are winded as drawn in the image above.

If that's not resolving the issue the next step would be to make your entire circuit to be as closer as possible to the schema from the image above.

Sorry for all the trouble, I'm just trying to help in finding the cause(s) of your replication issues, the differences and to fix these issues.

Fighter

"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration."
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Itsu posted this 17 November 2022

Fighter,

thanks for the help, yes the devil is in the details they say.

My idea was to have the both north or south poles on top, and that is what i did by the way i wound and connected the coils.
My transformer has the south poles on top, but this can easily be fixed by turning over the transformer.

Else i have to rewind one coil to have it wound the same way as the other coil, but i really doubt it will make any difference.

You keep mentioning Akula or Don Smith's devices as examples, but to my knowledge nobody was able to do a succesfull replication of either devices, so taking them as good examples looks dubious to me at the least IMHO.

Anyway, in my post above in the picture you can see which coil is CCW and which is CW.

I will see if i can unwind one coil and rewind it the same way as the other then retest.

Concerning the heating of the MOSFET, there are many reasons and publication about that, but my understanding is that its either:
# to much current when on, so 10A when a MOSFET is rated for 5A only, or:
# the gate is not adequately switching on the MOSFET due to a too low gate - source signal.

My bet is on this last one, so measure the gate signal compared to source and see if it quickly increases well over the gate - source threshold voltage for your MOSFET.
Make sure there is a load resistor (1K) across gate - source so the gate is not floating at any moment.

https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/442792/why-is-my-power-mosfet-heating-up-when-on

But there could be more reasons too.

Regards Itsu

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Fighter posted this 19 November 2022

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Fighter,

thanks for the help, yes the devil is in the details they say.

No problem.

Yes, unfortunately I found it to be always true especially when I tried to replicate some other devices.

I will see if i can unwind one coil and rewind it the same way as the other then retest.

That's what I would do. Rewinding a coil should be no problem, I did it probably hundreds of times in my experiments...

You keep mentioning Akula or Don Smith's devices as examples, but to my knowledge nobody was able to do a succesfull replication of either devices, so taking them as good examples looks dubious to me at the least IMHO.

My teachers are Don Smith, Bearden, Melnichenko, Akula... all of them. I always try to listen to the details they present and to understand their way of thinking.

Personally I think all of their presentations are proofs their devices are real and working. I have no doubts about that.

Also I learn a lot from our members here who are very advanced in physics and electronics. And from the experiments they're sharing with the team. As a matter of fact just recently I learned something very enlightening from Jagau. There's always something new to learn from them.

Why do you think no one has replicated their devices ? You know very few researchers have the courage to come public and describe/show a replication or a working device. Most of them are afraid and don't want to take any risks as we all know what happened to many of the inventors before like Stan Meyer and many others. Not all of them died but almost all of them had real, real troubles after speaking in public and presenting devices.

So I don't understand, just because you don't know anyone who replicated a device that means that device is fake ? Oficially (excepting the ZPM replication made by Chris ans still kept secret) no one has successfully replicated my ZPM, so should I believe what I presented myself is fake ? 😃 If we would use this principle then we all should stop researching and everything we're doing in this domain and just go home because oficially there is no replication of any of these devices, isn't ?

In my opinion we MUST continue our research, listen carefuly to every word the great inventors (like Nikola Tesla, Tom Bearden, Don Smith, Melnichenko, Kapanadze, Akula, Graham Gunderson, John Bedini, all of them !), to really understand what they are telling us and their way of thinking and to experiment and apply what we understand. If we want to change the situation we had in the last 100 years when the entire humankind was and still is in slavery paying all its income to Big-Oil/Energy parasites who made everything possible to suppress these technologies and the inventors in this domain.

Just took a look in your thread on overunity site, who is F6FLT ? He is very amusing... 🙂

If I understand correctly, the PS and the generator are connected to the mains and therefore share the mains earth.

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For people used to HF currents, this nonsense is frightening, nothing is mastered in this setup.

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I suspect that the author of the setup does not understand what he is doing, since he has not provided essential data.

Seems he doesn't know that but in the ZPM threads I provided more data than what he probably provided in all his experiments (if he did any). Doesn't he know how to find the ZPM threads and check the data ?..

I'm not a member there but my advice to him would be to visit any laboratory where research is done, including high and very high frequency research.

He will find out the power supplies, the signal generators, MOSFET drivers, oscilloscopes, everything is connected to the electrical grid and that electrical grid is grounded. These devices are used with grounding just as manufacturers intended whey they buit them and those researchers and their experiments are just fine. ☺️

I understand now why there is no progress for so many years there, because everytime when someone go there to present any thing they always start arguing/attacking the guy with endless discussions about "measurement errors". That's all they do, at least it's what I saw everytime I checked that site (from time to time).

That's fine on my side, good luck to them... ☺️

Regards,

Fighter

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Itsu posted this 20 November 2022 - Last Edited 20 November 2022

Fighter,

that there is no (known) successfull replication does not mean that the device being replicated is fake, nobody is saying that.

Concerning F6FLT, he is a very knowledgeable persoon active for many years in the FE communitie and thus has a "been there", done that, got the T-shirt" kind of attitude knowing very well what can work and what not.
He therefor can be found to be somewhat "negative" by some, but i would rather call it "realistic".

Anyway, a groundloop can surely pose some problems even with grounded equipment, not that i am saying that it is this (ZPM) case, so if time permits, look it up like here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_loop_(electricity) especially from here: Sources of ground current

By the way, is your FG grounded? And i mean, is the negative (black) lead of the FG attached to ground?
Mine is not and even then my MOSFET including its driver is completely isolated from this FG, so here we could have another difference between our setups.

I will rewind one of my coil this evening, and redo the measurements.

I was doing some 3D designing / printing to get a new former for my AMCC-200 core to wind the coil on, so it toke some time.

Itsu

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Fighter posted this 20 November 2022

"been there, done that, got the T-shirt", I like that expression ! 😄

You mean the SG (function/signal generator) ? No, it's not, its power cable doesn't have 3 wires inside, just 2 wires so the grounding wire is not present.

And the MOSFET driver (the black box) is powered directly from the DC source which is grounded, so I guess we can consider the MOSFET driver as being grounded.

Fighter

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Jagau posted this 20 November 2022

Itsu
I don't like your tiresome comment that Fighter is being dishonest in its statement about the ZPM by reporting from your site OUR someone you think has skills that I doubt.
Please let the endless bickering of your site there on OUR not bring them here. Fifghter is a respected member here.

Jagau

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Itsu posted this 20 November 2022

Dear Jagau,

i was not the one starting to mention F6FLT.

Fighter asked me "who is F6FLT?" and i just answered him and gave him my opinion about F6FLT, no more, no less.

Itsu

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